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Back to basics & "Old School" Real Estate with a "Modern Twist"

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Gold Star Realty, Inc.

Ever done a seller carry? Graduated payments...varying interest rates...no payments?  An All Inclusive Note and Deed of Trust? Contract for deed? A Created Note? For those of us who have been around a bit in this world of real estate...polish off the old brain cells and get them working on this economic gap.  We've had it pretty good for a number of years and now is the time to get back to basics.  They call  it creative now but, in reality, it's back to the barter/benefit days of putting deals together in a "Win/Win" concept.  Lenders are more forgiving of the more 'creative'financing techniques as long as payments are being made. Most Lender's are concentrating on the loans in default to police current loans and, in some circumstances are even ALLOWING assumptions and wraps, or 'subject to' transfers.  No, the disclosures and risks are still there however, the risk of losing a deal or the whole property, at times outweigh the risk.  I have a commercial loan on buildings that I own where the lender is allowing the loan to be taken 'subject to' if I decide to sell...yes, there is a due on sale clause!!!

I completed a neat transaction a couple of months ago where the seller found their dream property before their home sold and, because they went ahead and made a contingent offer to the seller of their dream home...those seller's went out and found their dream home too!  Ever had that happen?  Well, in a faster market this would be fine however, the domino didn't work in this case!!!  Big time!!!  We decided we'd use some of the old techniques...yes, I've been in the business for 34 years!  We offered the seller of the first dream home a note secured by the buyer's home and, some cash, too.  This allowed the seller to go ahead and get their dream home...and, even though they had to finance a bit more than they wanted...they had income to offset the additional loan balance with the income from the note on the buyer's home.  We put a month to month tenant in this home so the buyer's didn't have to make double payments so, the tenant was actually making the payment on the created note...everyone had the feeling that they had their perfect deal.  Everyone's been cashed out now and, it's a happy story....

Real estate is the most interesting profession, I think?  Let me know what creative deals you've come up with lately. 

I teach a class called Creative Real Estate/Alternative Solutions.  I'd love to have some 'far out'/or 'simple' examples from all of you folks out there in real estate land!!!

ALSO, LET ME KNOW IF I CAN SHARE SOME IDEAS WITH YOU REGARDING THAT 'CHALLENGE DEAL/CLIENT' YOU'RE WORKING WITH ?

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Patricia Fisher
Keller Williams Realty - Spartanburg, SC

Welcome to the Active Rain Community!  This is a great site to network, learn, and share ideas with others.  Have a great day!

Aug 20, 2008 12:50 AM
Robin Moffitt
Gold Star Realty, Inc. - Nampa, ID
"Gold Star Service....Gold Star Results !"

Wow!  I'm so new, I didn't even know how to 'respond'/'comment'!  I'm kind of an 'old dog' and not to savvy on computers but, I sure know real estate!  I'm a state certified instructor and have written many workshops on all aspects of real estate/property management/attitude adjusting, etc.  BUT COMPUTERS ARE...WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THEM GET THE BEST OF ME.  Thanks for the encouragement and, I'm HERE!!!  Robin

Aug 20, 2008 01:00 AM
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Credit Restoration Consultants - Plantation, FL

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Aug 20, 2008 02:43 AM
George Tallabas
RE/MAX Advantage - Nampa, ID
Idaho Real Estate

Great post Robin and "Welcome to Active Rain".  I hope you find it as informative and powerful as I have found it to be.

Aug 20, 2008 05:16 AM
Ginger Ryals
Prudential C Dan Joyner and Young Realtors - Spartanburg, SC

Welcome to Active Rain!! This is a great site to network and share ideas!! Have fun with it!!

Aug 20, 2008 06:13 AM
Jean Terry
Keller Williams Realty Spartanburg, S.C. - Spartanburg, SC

Hi, and welcome to Active Rain, a great site to learn and share.

Have fun.

Aug 20, 2008 07:20 AM
Jean Terry
Keller Williams Realty Spartanburg, S.C. - Spartanburg, SC

Hi, and welcome to Active Rain, a great site to learn and share.

Have fun.

Aug 20, 2008 07:21 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Well hi there Robin!!!  Way to jump into the "rain" with a big splash. That little gold star up there, in the corner of your post, means the AR moderators chose this post to be "featured" on the front page. That's a coveted spot and you made it with your first article. It means they felt this article would be of interest to the members and the public. And they were right!!! Getting creative is certainly a skill that folks are going to need to learn and utilize in this difficult mortgage climate. It's time to dust off the old tricks of the trade.

Aug 20, 2008 10:08 AM
Melina Tomson
Tomson Burnham, llc Licensed in the State of Oregon - Salem, OR
Principal Broker/Owner, M.S.

I learned a new idea today so for that I thank you.  Somehow I think you'll be teaching us more about what you know. I would have never thought of structuring the deal that way.

Aug 20, 2008 11:16 AM
Reba Haas
Team Reba of RE/MAX Metro Eastside www.TeamReba.com - Bellevue, WA
Team Reba, CDPE

Hi Robin,

we've been looking at creative financing options and marketing techniques as well. For some homes it is the right thing to do. A couple of years ago some very creating aspects were needed on a small apartment deal we were working on that ended up including a seller carryback, interest only, with no payments for the first year. Part of it was set up this way to make up for material defects found on the property during our due diligence and inspection phases.

Looking forward to hearing about other ways to put things together when the situation is right.

Cheers,

Reba Haas

Aug 20, 2008 11:31 AM
Reba Haas
Team Reba of RE/MAX Metro Eastside www.TeamReba.com - Bellevue, WA
Team Reba, CDPE

BTW - do you happen to have any developers you know in the Idaho area that may have an interest in coming over to East Wenatchee, WA to do a commercial development project?  We've got a ~39 acre parcel up for sale at $10M.

Aug 20, 2008 11:32 AM
Terri White
LasVegasBroker - Las Vegas, NV

Hi, Robin - I have been thinking about these idesa for a few months now, since the lower prices will not help the "average" buyer with obtaining a mortgage in today's financial world.  I think the "creative" financing presents some great opportunities.  But, what about situations in which a seller owes more than the property is worth, and the value might continue to decline?  Also, do you have attorneys draft your addendums or contracts for these types of transactions?  What about the potential of tax or other types of liens on either seller or buyer that could keep the seller from getting his money?  Would be interested in knowing how you structure some of these transactions to protect seller, buyer and brokers!

Terri White, Owner/Broker Las Vegas Properties

 

Aug 20, 2008 11:59 AM
Tinker Hulsey
Century 21 Wright-Pace Real Estate - Jonesboro, AR
Century 21 Wright-Pace Real Estate

Hi,

Welcome to active rain!! Wow with 34 years in real estate  I cant wait to read your blog.

         Tinker

Aug 20, 2008 12:15 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Since no money down has disappeared for the most part, I am sure we are going to see more creative ways to purchase...as well as noises we hear about the  return of the land contract....stay tuned !

Aug 20, 2008 12:56 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Looks like we have to go back to the future/ or past -- Some of these things may work, others are risky and would require some good legal guidance.

Aug 20, 2008 02:41 PM
Vicente A. Martinez
Prudential Douglas Elliman Licensed Real Estate Salesperson - Woodhaven, NY
Realtor, Brooklyn - Long Island - Queens Homes

Hi Robin and welcome to active|rain. There are thousands of tips, tools, and tricks of the trade here. Be sure to check them out. Best of luck and see you around.

P.S. Loved this post!!!

Aug 20, 2008 05:16 PM
Eric McGowan
Moody, AL

Robin for a first post congratulations. Thinking outside the box is good for the mind and your own prosperity. So many just assume "it can't be done". Even with stricter lending guidelines, employee loans (from the borrower's employer), family gifts, and a multitude of other solutions can make dreams become a reality. It is the leaders and professionals who think outside the box that are still making money and magic happen. Merry Christmas to you.

Dec 25, 2008 05:15 AM
Robin Moffitt
Gold Star Realty, Inc. - Nampa, ID
"Gold Star Service....Gold Star Results !"

Thanks again, Eric....I honestly believe these old, tried and true, basics are always going to have a place in real estate...sometimes more than others but, now, for sure.  Thanks for the comments.  Happy New Year.  Robin

Dec 25, 2008 07:00 AM
M. Suzi Woods (Gravenstuk)
NOW Sharing the life and spice of the GC one day at a time - Grand Canyon, AZ
Suzi Woods, Prior Independent REBroker in MS

Can you tell us more about your class, pleas?

Dec 28, 2008 04:11 PM
Robin Moffitt
Gold Star Realty, Inc. - Nampa, ID
"Gold Star Service....Gold Star Results !"

I liken my class to a review of some of the tried and true systems for simply, solving client and transaction challenges!  My advice to realtors is...find someone who's been in the business more than 10 years and have them review some of the old techniques we used to use...trades; contracts for deed; all inclusive notes and deeds of trust; seller carryback loans...looking for benefits, personal property for down payments, etc.  We're doing these transactions...as we type!

If you can get your office together or your board, I'd be happy to come and give this fun class...it can be anywhere from 4 to 8 hours and we can have some great fun!!!  Let's do it! 

 

enjoy the journey...happy new year

Dec 29, 2008 01:54 AM