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Stupid Underwriting Tricks

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Mortgage and Lending with Perl Mortgage

Those of us who live and die mortgages on a daily basis often times have to go get a strong drink and just laugh.  One of the favorite topics among loan originators at the water cooler is dumb ass underwriting conditions.  Basically, conditions that need to be satisfied on a loan approval that are so absurd and illogical that all you can do is laugh about them.  Of course, the challenge is trying to explain to clients, Realtors, and others with a straight face as to why you are asking for this stuff...

Because of the market we are in, underwriters are scrutinizing every single loan application.  Unfortunately, instead of using this time to actually think and make prudent lending decisions, every loan now is underwrittten with a fine tooth comb and we are getting conditions like "loan application to be completed in blue ink".

It is getting to the point that I decided to start a weekly post called Stupid Underwriting Tricks so I can share with the public some of the absurdity we deal with from time to time. 

We recently funded a loan that is being sold to a very very large bank.  Absolutely perfect file.  A 60% loan-to-value.  800 FICO scores.  Low DTI.  Conforming loan amount. The borrowers are perfect in every single way.  The kind of loan any bank should be begging for in this market.

Get this... the investor purchasing the mortgage came back to us POST CLOSING because they want "proof that borrower is not selling vegetables."  I AM DEAD FREAKING SERIOUS.  

What happened was that the purchase contract has an addendum about personal property and the house our clients bought has a very nice small garden.  The borrowers wanted to make sure that the sellers would leave all of the foliage with the house.  Some how the post closing audit weeny at Big Ass Bank thinks the house has a working farm.  Mind you the house is on a quarter acre lot.

The house is not in a farming community.  It is a just a little suburban house in a regular little town.  The borrowers are attorneys at a major law firm.  The garden isn't big enough to produce any sustainable produce that one could actually make a living on.   How this person was able to make this logical leap is beyond me.  Is is it April 1 already?  Has this person diluted the gene pool already?  

WTF?  Proof that the borrowers aren't selling vegetables! 

I couldn't make this up if you paid me...

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Randall Schrader
Competitive Insurance of Dundee - Dundee, FL

Sounds like someone was recently burned by a farmer, LOL.  Realtors have no clue of the environment we are dealing with.  They tell me, "That makes NO sense!"  I'm like, sense?  What does that have to do with anything?

Oct 03, 2008 02:32 AM
Bill Ladewig
LoanOfficerSchool.com - Escondido, CA
Experience Is Your Advantage

On it's face that is a pretty dumb condition and should not go unchallenged.  I have had pretty good luck over the years in convincing underwriters to re-look at their conditions.  Underwriters are under a tremendous amount of pressure these days and sometimes take the wrong view.  Our job as LO is to make it come out ok for the borrower.

Oct 03, 2008 02:50 AM
Russ Msrtin
Perl Mortgage - Chicago, IL
Residential Mortgage Advisor

common sense and underwriting parted ways a long time ago.  I am constantly telling my clients that loans are not made because they make sense, they are made because their is a market for it. Underwriters have gone from being knowledgable about risk management to basically being paper pushers checking a box.  Big banks and wall street have removed any ability for them to actually THINK and make prudent decisions.

Oct 03, 2008 02:50 AM
Russ Msrtin
Perl Mortgage - Chicago, IL
Residential Mortgage Advisor

Bill;

We have definitely challenged it.  However, it just bothers me that I even have to spend time trying to get it resolved. 

Oct 03, 2008 02:52 AM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

ROFL...that is freakin' hilarious.  I have seen some absurdities at times, but this one is truly special.

Oct 03, 2008 03:01 AM
Dena Stevens
Rocky Mountain Realty - Canon City, CO
Putting The Real Into Realtor Since 2004

It's like should we laugh or should we cry, because some times I don't know anymore.

Oct 06, 2008 11:06 AM
James A. Browning
Browning Real Estate School/REO Institute - International, IT
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Jul 28, 2012 01:42 AM
Dave Sullivan
Real Estate One - Birmingham, MI
Michigan Realtor with an investor viewpoint

Excellent information I will forward it if that is ok? thank you!!!

Nov 18, 2012 06:10 AM
Mike Rankin
ClearPath Mortgage Solutions, Inc. NMLS #1394615 - Albany, NY
Mortgage Consultant

Hahahaha....great laughs!!!! I just had an Underwrtier ask for proof of where faxes were coming from so my borrower had to fax a letter that said "I am sending these faxes from my mother's fax at work" ....things are getting strange for sure. I'm looking forward to hearing more.

Oct 22, 2013 08:28 AM