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Communication Break Down ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it's always the same ....

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Mortgage and Lending with Apex Home Loans NMLS #369577

 ..........   I'm having a nervous breakdown... drive me insane    ..........  ohhh sookie ----  Da Da Da Da Da Da Da Da Da   DAA Da Da

 

Ok - so I stole a piece from the repertoire of what AR legend Jason Sardi adds to his blogs... a bit of musical transition if you will.....  now here goes -

 

I have been working with a realtor for the past 4 months with a client I have been working with for almost a year that I had pre approved and somehow he hooked up with. This agent seems like a nice enough guy, 20 + years in the business, very friendly and engaging on the telephone. But I saw it coming......  Our first conversation started out with him asking if I would honor the rate on  the good faith I had supplied these clients ---   my clients! -                   THREE MONTHS PRIOR! 

These clients came to me with mid scores in the 400's. I got to give it to them, with great effort, lots of letters to the credit bureau and some slick negotiating with past creditors, their scores got better. Mind you, they are still sub 580 however I can get this loan closed with a manual underwrite as it meets all the guides and there are strong compensating factors. Besides the fact with proof of a few more accounts paid, satisfied and removed I can get them approved through automated underwriting. They are almost there. 

Well I tell you, Mr and Mrs Realtor, will you please concentrate on selling houses and leave us mortgage brokers alone when it comes to what rate we charge the borrowers. I apologize in advance to the responses this post will get but listen up people, unless you understand what hits to the price a sub 580 score gets and how much time and effort it takes to submit a tight package to my underwriter, please leave well enough alone. I can open that can of worms on every listing in your pipeline. I elect not to, please do the same. Now my client is asking why can't he get a rate in the 5's like he sees on TV. 97% FHA - 3% gift from mom, 4% seller help, sub 580 scores......   STOP THE NONSENSE!     

So that's where I left it six weeks ago. Today I get a call -  "   hey Lewis, the bank ( it's a short sale of course )  said they    will take the deal, can we still close this month? " Well Mr    Realtor, yes we can but I need the contract so I can get docs  drawn up, signed and submitted. He told me that he can send me the copy that is signed by the buyer and seller but he only  has a verbal from the bank   ........   I DID NOT FALL OFF THE  TURNUP TRUCK LAST WEEK! 

How many of you have seen a short sale turned around in - let's see today is the 21st and they want to close the 30th - well, that fast? Can we get it to the table that fast? You betcha! Let me ask are you mortgage gurus a question ----   How many of you submit this loan without the banks approval? Without knowing what the bank will actually accept as a payoff? And without knowing the balance on the property? 

It is a short sale people! And neither listing or selling agent knows the balance owed on the property.

 

THERE ARE REAL LOANS AND THERE ARE MAKE BELIEVE LOANS - do you know the difference?  I do.....

 

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Pat Tasker
Shorewest Realtors - Germantown, WI
Your Milwaukee Metro Area Agent (WI)

I run from them as fast as I can...this story is incredible...

Oct 21, 2008 01:45 PM
Ken Montville
RE/MAX United Real Estate - College Park, MD
The MD Suburbs of DC

Hey, Lewis, time to chill!  :-)

You are to be commended for even bothering with a person with scores in the 400s with and "improved" score sub 580.  If it were my client I would have waved bye-bye long ago.

I can't believe this Realtor with 20+ years experience is even putting you through this mess.  He must know rates are highly volatile and that a loan for someone with those scores are gonna have high rates.  The client should be happy he/she is getting a loan (but based on the score they have probably come to expect that they can borrow money anytime/anywhere and not pay it back) and stay away from late night infomercials.

I feel for ya, Lewis.  I would cut these guys loose long ago.

Oct 21, 2008 01:48 PM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

When I have a problem with a realtor.... it is usually when they TELL ME what to do and when.

I am sorry.... But when the contract is inked, I AM DRIVING THE BUS!! At that point, the realtor is to get me anything that OUR client is slow getting to me.... not telling me how to do my job or illegally steer MY CLIENT!!

 

 

Oct 21, 2008 02:09 PM
Jerry Murphy, CRS, SRES
Long Realty West Valley - Anthem, AZ
Anthem, Phoenix, and Scottsdale AZ Real Estate

Hey Lewis. Love the Zeppelin reference.  As a Realtor, I never get involved in the loan process. I tell my clients I am the expert as far as real estate goes, the lender is the expert as far as financing goes. I am completely hands off when it comes to my preferred lenders.  All I ever ask is for communication on the progress of the loan.  There are still a lot of, how do we say, "low information" Realtors out there still, who still don't understand the short sale process.  Best of luck.

Oct 21, 2008 02:18 PM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Pat - no need to run.... I make the rules :-)

Ken -  I hear ya! Your a Maryland agent - maybe I should send them your way   :-)

Tom - my first words to this realtor in the AM - I AM DRIVING THE BUS!!!  I love it!  So right....

Jerry - you sound like a realtor i would partner up with -  especially a Zep fan! by the way - the short sale process has never been a short process........

Oct 21, 2008 02:27 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Lewis.... hits on a 580 or below?  I don't have any hits and I don't need credit scores.... LOL

Seriously....  that is a realtor that I would not want to do business with. Can you honor the rate from a GFE from 3 months ago?  Yes, certainly, no problem... if rates went down... lol  Just like those that lock a rate in, but if rates go lower, they want the lower rate.  But why can't I raise the rate on a client that was locked in?  What ever happened to common sense?

Getting back to your issues.... I would not submit this loan without a banks approval. I don't trust short sales even when there is a contract.... not until the 3 day attorney review is done. And wait, most buyers want to have a home inspection done... and if there are more than basic repairs needed, it wouldn't have a gods chance to close by the end of the month. I refuse to do leg work on something that is not concrete on the selling side of things. I will pre-approve a guy on a basic amount...  but this situation is a little different.

In any case, good luck with this one...  and yes, people, buyers, realtors,.. many don't understand that you just can't compare rates and costs... not until you know the credit scores... even HUD has some guidelines when it comes to credit scores. If you have a score under 500, HUD wants 10% down or more....  it all comes back to education with mortgages and credit scores. You just can't be a realtor and tell your client that you have a shit deal, until you know all the facts... and not just income and credit... credit scores and ratios...

PS... like the new picture..

jeff belonger

Oct 21, 2008 02:30 PM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

Yeah, really. Heck, he cleans up pretty good.... eh Jef?

 

 

Oct 21, 2008 03:17 PM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

LOL.... I just read the last part again.

Exactly WHY does this need to close by month's end? For the buyer? For the seller(bank)? Or is it someone's commission? <= I know where I have MY money.

 

 

Oct 21, 2008 03:23 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

hhhmmmmmm    for the realtor?  So they can get some Christmas gifts?   and yes, Lewis cleans up well.

Oct 21, 2008 04:13 PM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Lewis - You are a handsome chap.  I will be back to make my real comment later.  I'm in the middle of waxing intellectual with my cat while trying to construct prose on world domination.

(commission... what's that?)

Oct 21, 2008 04:13 PM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Will everyone please stop flirting with me!!

Oct 21, 2008 04:15 PM
Gerry Suarez Jr.
New American Funding NMLS 6606 - Orlando, FL
FL Mortgage Guru

Lewis is getting the Led out! neat dude!

Don't even fight it Lewis, as you said your are driving the bus. When the agent asks if you can close by EOM you say no...

Get me a contract signed by both parties and a green light after the inspections and I'll tell you when we can anticipate a closing. Good luck sir, you will need to reign that one in or they will be wanting you to pay per diem charges!

...and the pic does do you well!

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your FHA Loan Pro!

Oct 22, 2008 01:31 AM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Jeff - thanks for your comments as always. I got the signed contract Friday, the loan has gone thru underwiting and we are just waiting on the bank to ok the final hud. Believe it or not, this bad boy might just close on the 30th.

Tom - everyone is pushing to close, including the borrower so as long as everyone understood we would be waiting on the bank, all is good.

Jason - are you flirting with me yet again???

Gerry - a rock and roller from years past ehhh??? I reigned it in but they got me what I wanted. I almost killed this deal - glad I didn't. Sometimes I go with my gut. Sometimes I am right and sometimes I am wrong....

and oh yeah ---- Go Skins!

Oct 27, 2008 11:18 AM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Lewis: Sorry to hear abour your troubles. it sounds like you're going to get this one done and that's the main thing. Good luck!

 

Paul

Oct 28, 2008 12:06 PM