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Ladies and Gentlemen,  

Monday, a male agent in my office forwarded me some links to coverage of the Kathy Sierra story.  For those who don't know tech blogger Kathy Sierra, she's shuttered a successful blog, Creating Passionate Users because of harassment and death threats. I've read Sierra's blog since last fall, although some of it is waaaay over my head. I hope Sierra will be back blogging soon.

In March Sierra wrote: Death threats against bloggers are NOT "protected speech"    The disturbing photos that were posted originally have been removed but there is language....

The agent in my office forwarded some links about the death threats to our manager. Tom (Active Rain member...Tom's never blogged.. that's OK...)in hopes he would forward the information to the agents who blog in our office. Tom did not respond, so the agent forwarded the links about Kathy Sierra receiving death threats to me. The agent  wrote to our manager:

"This incidence just points out that women are a vulnerable in a sense on the web as they are in open houses, showing houses etc.

You might want to make this information available for the office because I know you have some blogger agents."

My first reply to the agent in my office was an Active Rain Invitation!  Join Active Rain has become my pat answer to all inquiries about blogging.  

In an email exchange about blogging I wonder if the male agent in my office is trying to discourage blogging, and the two people blogging in our office just happen to be women, Elaine Reese and me.  He's a Kathy Sierra fan, he's read her books, I'm a Kathy Sierra fan, I read her blog.

Does "women are a vulnerable in a sense on the web as they are in open houses, showing houses etc."mean blogging's not safe for women?  

I am a real estate agent, but it's not safe for me to blog, it's not safe for me to do open houses, it's not safe for me to show homes?  It is safe to sit in the office, answer the phone, and type up the listings? Only men should blog, only men should do open houses and only men should show homes?  

Yes bad people occasionally do bad things at open houses.  Yes bad people have done bad things on showings. Agents of both sexes have to be careful in conducting business.  Yes there are creeps that read blogs.  

I remember in the early 90's we started putting personal photos in our newspaper ads at Coldwell Banker and some of us got obscene voice mails. Women shouldn't have real estate ads with personal photos because there are sickos out there with telephones?  

What about a traditional website? A static site is OK for a woman but a blog is not? Why? I remember being creeped out by my picture being on my website when I first got a real estate website. Wait... not a great example....that picture was really creepy.... clients would write and call to tell me what a horrible photo it was.

Did Joseph Ferrera and Rudolph Bachraty of Sellsius° Blog encourage unsafe behavior when they encouraged women in our industry to blog? Sellsius Blog's  Top Ten Women Real Estate Bloggers post, from August 2006, encourages women real estate agents to blog.  Does BlogHer.com with their tagline "where the women bloggers are" encourage unsafe behavior? 

Is Real Living encouraging unsafe behavior by asking, us it's agents to blog?  Elaine Reese got two listings from blogging recently.  Elaine should stop blogging because women are vulnerable?  Elaine shouldn't show the properties because it is unsafe for women to show homes?  ....because there are some creepy men (and probably creepy women) out there?

What would Active Rain look like without women bloggers? As much as we joke about blogging and especially Active Rain being an addiction, I could stop if the surgeon general said blogging was harmful, but short of that, I'm not stopping any time soon. 

Why discourage something because there could be bad?  Encourage good behavior.  Discourage bad behavior.  If you read deep enough into the Kathy Sierra thing a lot of people could have said "stop it" to people who were behaving very badly, for a long time. Other bloggers were complicit in encouraging bad behavior, bullying and harassment. Death threats aren't protected as free speech.  One of the websites that was set up by some of the tech bloggers was called MeanKids.org  The MeanKids.org site got out of control.  That site and another have ceased to exist because of bad behavior.

I love the blurb just before you leave a comments on Creating Passionate Users:

"We LOVE to hear from you, and we think of this blog as a big dinner party. Y'all are our invited guests, but if you're being rude and obnoxious we'll let the bouncer toss you. So please, stick to debating and criticizing ideas rather than personal attacks. Also, if you don't see your comment right away, it means we've turned on moderation to fight the evil spammers. It'll show up soon."

Other blogs about the whole episode:

There are a few of us on Active Rain who are Kathy Sierra fans.  Active Rainer  Rhonda Ruthman wrote about the death threats - Active Rain Members Only.  

There have been two entries on Kathy Sierra's blog since the death threats.... 

April 4, 2007- about the death threat blog being moved so it is not so prominent

April 6, 2007 - old favorites and Sierra writes about whether she will blog again

Tim O'Reilly calls for a Bloggers' Code of Conduct  beause of the death threats

Tim O'Reilly's observation about reaction to a Bloggers' Code of Conduct

Greg Swan of the Bloodhound Blog about the brouhaha and the call for a Bloggers' Code of Conduct  

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Edit - The sequel to Women shouldn't blog because... Misogyny or Blogsogyny? There is more to the story of why blogging should NOT  be encouraged.

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Lea Deo, REALTOR® - KW Realty Partners
Keller Williams Legacy Partners, Inc. - Shawnee, KS
Johnson County REALTOR®| Shawnee KS Homes for Sale

This sort of reminds me when I was looking for my first job after obtaining my MBA way back when.  I had several job offers in other parts of the country, but wanted to move to Kansas City.  My husband's employer arranged me to talk with "Flo".  Flo met me and "counseled" me that I should look for something where I could use my shorthand and typing skills because, "after all, you are a woman."  I stood up, looked her in the eye, and said, "I've been a woman all my life and it's never held me back.  I'm not going to let it start now. " (I am Woman, Hear Me Roar was my theme song in those days.)  My husband was very proud of me and I found much more suitable employment.  Many years later I was going through a bit of despair, and he came to me and said, "I want to hear your roar."  God love him.  Keep at it, Maureen.  Perhaps TLW won't mind if a few others roar once in awhile.  lea

Apr 19, 2007 10:50 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Tom Tom Tom...  you gotta sign in to get points.  If you don't sign in I don't get points and I am only here for the points, or so they say. You could have had 20 points and I could have had two points. I got four points from  Elaine Reese and Fred Pickard commenting here... 

Wait  Tom's not signed in so he won't read this. Tom Holcombe is the manager of our office... he's in charge of encouraging us to blog.   I think Tom's comment about us talking about blog safety in the office is tongue in cheek.  I invited the agent from our office to join Active Rain again today and told him I'd blogged about  him and copied Tom on the email.    

Lea:  It is good that things have changed isn't it?  I think the sentences I quoted from the male agent in my office were really just an attempt to discourage blogging more than anything about women but I was angry Monday and Tuesday for all women.  I was up in arms.. I was roaring. The Helen Reddy song never crossed my mind though... strangely.  Thanks for the memories.

    

Apr 19, 2007 12:14 PM
Elaine Reese, REALTOR® in central Ohio
Real Living HER, Powell Ohio - Powell, OH

Hey, the Helen Reddy song was my National Anthem back in the 70's - it gave me the courage to ditch my ex. I've been ROARING ever since! No offense to TLW.

I agree with your comment to Lea, in that the agent wasn't saying it to be anti-women. He's never given me any impression of being that type of person.

Apr 19, 2007 02:11 PM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

There are creeps out there. This is just one more venue for them to get off on.

If anyoe leaves ....the creep will still be there. So why leave? I don't believe in giving my power away to creeps!

Apr 19, 2007 04:08 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate
Elaine: I emailed him that Tom was ready to blog and he'd scared Tom off from it...... or something like that.  I hope he is not mad at me.  I decided only to blog about the one statement in the one email that he wanted Tom to publicize 

"This incidence just points out that women are a vulnerable in a sense on the web as they are in open houses, showing houses etc.

You might want to make this information available for the office because I know you have some blogger agents."

Not get into the stuff about blogs and search engines...that was private emails... and the issue is complex enough with just the Sierra story, safety, fear, women roaring...

We had fun with the Helen Reddy song when I was a kid.

Joan: if I may cross pollinate on Sarah Cooper's 'Do Not Fear' post  (which came from this post)  you wrote there:

"Fear and Intimidation seem to be "In" these days,Red alerts,bomb threats,terrorist attacks,Sars and on and on. This society is permeated with violence.

These are not what frighten me...it's societys acceptance of them as the norm!"

The MeanKids.org site were set up for "satire"  I've read anarchy too... and both of the sites with a lot of the content were already down before the "$hit hit the fan" over Kathy Sierra but to me it sounds like the sites were used to terrorize at least one person by a gang. The gang carried keyboards rather than guns or knives but the  acceptance of it or even a fragment of societies acceptance of it interests me and makes my skin crawl at the same time. It seems creeps had a lot of power on the two sites.

 

Apr 19, 2007 10:46 PM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
It makes one wonder if the biggest threat isn't from within!
Apr 20, 2007 03:51 PM
Cyndee Haydon
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
727-710-8035 Clearwater, Beach Short Sales Luxury Condos &Homes

Maureen,

You raised lots of things I honestly hadn't thought of before. Great post - thanks for sharing. 

Apr 21, 2007 04:57 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Joan: I always wondered about how creepy people find creepy people, when I read about certain crimes where people physically hurt others.

Cyndee: I read something after writing this about children blogging and it said parents should watch that their kids don't mention their school colors or school mascot?  That would never have crossed my mind (I do not have kids.) I would bet lots of kids on social networking sites trade this info with other kids publicly without blinking an eye. Kids can't have school spirit?

Apr 21, 2007 08:52 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

I can add a few more thoughts to this, after this time has passed.

In my market, Dayton, small beans blogging-wise, online is a guy world. Do other women feel that way? Conversations seem driven by men...Maybe I should post about this myself, but I'm really feeling lonely in Dayton for female blogging company....

Re/ MySpace. MySpace is for kids, and here's the cool thing that I see happening- First you educate your kids about who to talk to, then your kids get their real life friends to be on MySpace, and it becomes as insular a world as real teen life. They form groups that literally lock-out outsiders. If someone the 'group' doesn't know, becomes someone else's "friend" they ask, they demand, they go on teen witch hunts to find out who this person is. IOW, they protect each other from the creeps.

My philosophy with my daughter is 'strength in numbers', and when they are out they 'never leave a woman behind' which all her friends will quote as they jump, giggling, out of the car when I drop them off. It's the same on MySpace- it's a teen world and anyone not a teen is a creep, and anyone unfamiliar is weird and therefore not to be trusted, and they hold their real freinds accountable for their online behavior.

This is the healthy/ healthier use of MySpace. If a child is troubled, of course, MySpace is there waiting as well, but MySpace does not create troubled children. Media hype creates hype.

 

Sep 04, 2007 11:21 PM
#45
Anonymous
teri lussier
Me, sorry. Didn't log in. ;)
Sep 04, 2007 11:23 PM
#46
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I saw the two comments and came running (figuatively) to see who the anonymous one was and what you had to say to them!    

That's interesting about Dayton and probably true in most areas.  Most Columbus blogging is men, lotsa football and sports.  But there is Tina who does Green Buckeye in Columbus.  A few of the food bloggers are women. Real estate blogging is probably equally men and women but the men seem less consistant than the women, other than Toby. There are lots of younger men doing the tech blogging thing, cartoon blogging thing in Columbus. Maybe younger women are more into MySpace, Live Journal social type stuff rather than having a lonely stand alone blog.  

Someone wrote on ActiveRain about a study that showed something very similar to your observation with MySpace and kids. Most kids are not unsafe on MySpace, they don't need the attention.  The troubled kids on MySpace are troubled kids off MySpace.com and they have a "creep magnet"  sadly.   

It was Mary Pope-Handy I believe now that I think it!   

Sep 04, 2007 11:46 PM
Anonymous
teri lussier

Blogging in Dayton is politics mostly, we have serious issues in Dayton, and it's all men that except there is a husband and wife team, but I think he posts more than she. It's lonely.

I didn't even consider the scarcity of female bloggers because I started here on AR, and I think AR is (I'm going to get in trouble here?) kinda a chick world- it's warm and fuzzy, compared to "out there".

But. I've joined a Dayton webloggers meet-up group (Meetup.com) and eventhough it's the same motley crew I know, perhaps another female will join?

Sep 05, 2007 12:38 AM
#48
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I avoid politics usually.  I know last fall when I was trying to find blogs about sports I found a lot of "Buckeye" blogs they were about politics.   I assumed "Buckeye" meant football.

Carole and I played with the political issues last fall on our blogs (non AR) and I was surprised by how much interesting it really was.  I beleive that is when Carole met Jill?  A NE Ohio political blogger.  Her blog is 'Writes like she talks" ??? 

Sep 05, 2007 01:42 AM
Anonymous
Teri

I'm considering my options re/ politics. I think I'll jump into the fray, but only to post H Hts- keep it hyper-local and only to post press releases... I don't know. I can't pretend it doesn't exist, but I don't want a "Jane you ignorant slut" discussion going on. :)

And it's just going to attract guys. I'm posting family stuff like mad trying to intice a H Hts woman to comment. Geez. Easier to pull teeth.

Sep 05, 2007 02:10 AM
#50
Anonymous
Teri, again
Have I just hijacked your post? Sorry. ;)
Sep 05, 2007 02:11 AM
#51
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Teri that... SNL line is a whole different post but the two are certainly related.... I think.  I think the whole Kathy Sierra thing was about she needed to "stifle herself" as Archie Bunker would say to Edith. 

I started asking what is H Hts?  Huber Heights. Duh.     

I guess I have not thought about attracting either or whether or not they comment... I get some comments.  I have some regulars.  I can see from the stats that someone is reading CBB but I can't tell their gender.

Don't worry about hijacking this old thing....

Sep 05, 2007 03:42 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

But you've brought up a great point with this post, and now that I've blogged awhile outside AR, I'm seeing different things about how males and females approach blogging. I do think, as Caleb said in his comment here, that it is a different experience.

I know H Hts women read my blog because they tell me, but for the most part they don't comment. It's a passive experience? They don't want to be heard? I don't know the answer.

I really should post about this I guess. Someday.

 

Sep 05, 2007 03:55 AM
#53
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Not sure how I missed this.  "H Hts women"... you can be anonymous but I would know that voice anywhere, it's got BrickRanch written all over it!

I'd come to your blog to see if it is "frou frou" enough for women readers but I was ejected by your bouncer / wordpress guru last tme I  mentioned the look of your blog.

Sep 08, 2007 12:53 AM
Anonymous
teri lussier

:-) I just didnt' sign in, it's a bother, not trying to be anonymous.

It's frou frou, trust me. I purposely made the look more feminine than masculine, because 1) women buy houses and 2) my market is young families and single female HOH. My blog is targeted to women. And women read, they just don't comment.

Maureen, I don't know if you are joking or not. I hope and thought that was water under the bridge, but- FWIW, I recently emailed the person you are referring to and let him know that any more flamey stuff and he'd get bounced. He's promised to "try to be nice".

 

Sep 08, 2007 03:38 AM
#55
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate
I am joking. It is water under the bridge but I do have to admit I think two, three, four times before leaving a comment on your blog. 
Sep 08, 2007 07:16 AM