Electric Box

By
Home Inspector with Robert H. Conner LLC Building Consulting Services

For all those people out there that do not yet understand what a infrared camera can do for them on a home inspection, here is an example. Without touching any of the circuits we are able to tell what the temperature of each breaker is when running hotter than normal.

The top wire at the right corner of the box is warm coming out of the box when the power is being used,yet it is within the allowable heat for the wire being used. When you look at the bottom adapter you can see that is running rather warm and should be watched for over heating.

This is just one of the many items we can find with our infrared camera. We have found missing insulation, air leaks in heating and cooling systems and roof leaks. Clogged pipes are not able to hide from the camera in the basement lines.

Moisture in stucco walls,water in flat roofs are able to be found with the use of our camera. When getting a home inspection it is something a homeowner should seriously consider using to see the things that the naked eye cannot see.

Be sure to visit our site at: www.infraredprojects.com for more pictures to see just what we can do for you on your next inspection.

 

 

Comments (11)

Russell Lewis
Realty Austin, Austin Texas Real Estate - Austin, TX
Broker,CLHMS,GRI

I have never seen anything like that! Pretty cool!

Nov 06, 2008 09:33 AM
Steve Hall
RE/MAX United - San Marcos, CA
Make the Call to Hankins and Hall

Very cool.  Have you noticed more problems with any specific brand of panel or is it generally an installation issue?

What is the typical extra cost for a home inspector to do an infrared photo shoot of the home?

Nov 06, 2008 09:37 AM
Frank Torre
Torre Inspection Service, LLC 888-202-8869 - Hicksville, NY

Good shots of panel box. I use iron palett to shot most my shots. Good luck.

Nov 06, 2008 10:19 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Electrical is by far the largest application for IR. This image is of a dimmer switch. The spot temp. is about 119 degrees F. This is not a problem. Dimmers like transformers give off heat as part of their normal operation.

Nice pic above, but I would disagree that the transformer is of any concern.

 

 

Nov 07, 2008 11:01 PM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

I would guess that you would have to be pretty good at guessing the temperatures and remembering what tempertures are a problem.

Nov 10, 2008 12:50 PM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

I would guess that you would have to be pretty good at guessing the temperatures and remembering what tempertures are a problem.

Nov 10, 2008 12:50 PM
Robert Conner
Robert H. Conner LLC Building Consulting Services - Reading, PA

Been a Little busy of late to answer any of the questions that were sent about the picture that I posted of the electrical panel box.

Steve Hall from Re/Max - cost due vary though out the county to do an infrared scan, I charge any were from $250-550.00 and this depends on what the customer is looking for and the size of the home. My report comes with all pictures, both with and with out he infrared subject and a full written report. This can be up to 50 pages.

Gene Allen from Hampton Roads Real Estate - There is a set standard for what the maximum and minimum a breaker and or wire can handle. These are set by the national electric code. As far as doing motors or equipment we get the spec. from the manufacture before we do the inspections.

Russell Lewis, Avnueone properties - If you thing this picture is cool  go to my web site at www.infraredprojects.com and check out some more cool pictures.

Frank Quarello - Which camera are you using? the picture is not very clear. We use a Flir B400 which is a more expensive model than most inspectors use. The pictures are much better for owners to see clearly what is happening. The owner of this property was told to be aware that the unit was running warm and to pay close attention to it. It happens to be a dental office and this was the plug for there answering machine that was in need of repair. Thanks for the input.

And last one is Frank Torre- I do use the Iron setting some times also, I switch back and forth between the two

Thanks for all the great feed back - more to come.

 

Nov 15, 2008 11:07 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Robert,

First off the name is JAMES. I use a FLIR B-2 which I have had for about 3 years. The resolution is lower than your camera. None the less my point had nothing to do with camera resolution, model or how expensive the camera. Having a Ferrari doesn't make you a good driver.

You stated in your response:  

"The owner of this property was told to be aware that the unit was running warm and to pay close attention to it. It happens to be a dental office and this was the plug for there answering machine that was in need of repair."

As I said above and showed with the image, warm does not necessarily mean a problem. All transformers run warm as do dimmer switches. It's the physics of the component and electricity. If there was a problem with the receptacle, which I think is what your saying, then that should be repaired.

I'm not sure what you meant by mentioning this was a dental office. I have inspect two this year myself.

The thing with infrared as with any tool is it is an aid to the inspector. Understanding and interpreting what your seeing by having a good working knowledge of the objects at which the camera is pointed is more important than camera model, resolution and cost. Wouldn't you agree?

Nov 15, 2008 11:04 PM
Robert Conner
Robert H. Conner LLC Building Consulting Services - Reading, PA

OK James, I can see I really touched on a nerve with you and I would like not to have any conversation with you on infrared work. It seems as though you know all there is to know about it, as you say it is a tool in our tool box and is partly left up to the inspectors interpretation. Have a nice day and good luck in all you do.

Nov 16, 2008 08:34 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Robert,

I'm sorry that you feel that way. Yes I did take a little offense since you called me Frank. You then proceeded to try and discredit my response by calling into question my equipment but not giving any facts on the image in your blog. Did I misinterpret your response?

I do not, nor did I state that I know all there is to know about infrared. But knowing about infrared is as I said only the half of it. It sounds to me like I hit a nerve with you as well.

Instead of dismissing me why not have a discussion on infrared work. Sounds like we have a small misunderstanding. 

Nov 16, 2008 08:56 AM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

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