Let's Talk About Aluminum Wiring

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Real Estate Agent with Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Select Properties-St. Louis Missouri MO Salesperson#2004006871

Yield signTo the inspectors here in the Rain, let's talk about aluminum wiring.  I was showing a home today and as we were standing in the basement, I noticed this orange and black warning label on the electric panel.  It stated the home had aluminum wiring and this was a potentially dangerous item.  Of course, my buyers are not happy about this since the house has met their criteria. 

I want to know, on a home 40+ years old, how bad/dangerous is aluminum wiring?   Should the buyers beware?  Should they ask for the home to be re-wired?

Thank you in advance for your time.

Original article by Ann Hayden agent with Prudential Select Properties Wildwood/Chesterfield/Ballwin Office.  Ann Hayden is committed to your goals while educating you in the home buying & selling processes.  Please call or text Ann Hayden today to get started 636-399-7544.

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Comments (32)

George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
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Ann I wasn't even aware that type of wiring existed in houses.  Glad you asked the question because I got a lot out of Russel Ray's response.

Jan 21, 2009 03:53 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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April,

I did comment on Dale's blog and ask him to join the discussion.  ;-)

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:03 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Russel,

Thank you for your expertise on this.  I know the electric company uses aluminum as a "trunk" line into the box and this would be why I do not understand the dangers of it in the home.  I have read and know about some fires caused by the wiring but wonder if the people over-loaded the system or it was no installed correctly. 

I will have to check out your other blog...

Thanks again for the enlightening explanation,

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:07 AM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

I just remembered that I had contributed to the Wikipedia discussion about aluminum wiring several years ago. Check it out here.

Jan 21, 2009 04:10 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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George,

I was so happy to see he stopped by to comment.  I know there are dangers involved but wanted to know why and what to do about them.  He gave a very good explanation of how to handle the bids too.

I am glad I asked.  There is always an answer in the RAIN!

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:11 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Russel,

Sorry about making the comment on the "wrong" blog but now I am subscribed to both so next time I will comment in the right place...;-)

Thank you again,

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:12 AM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Hey, Ann.

As noted in the Wikipedia discussion. aluminum wiring has been implicated in home fires but not definitively. It was usually damaged wiring or wiring not installed correctly that caused the fire. Copper wire under the same circumstances would have caused a fire, too.

There is relatively new technology on the market -- Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters -- that are intalled in the electric panel for 15- and 20-amp branch circuits that can prevent the types of fires often caused by damaged wire, loose wires, and improperly installed wires.

Here's another useful web site.

Jan 21, 2009 04:13 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Russel,

I just knew you would have pertinent information on this issue.  I am off to check out the other article.

Thanks again,

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:21 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Russel,

I really like the second link, it has visual aids.  That is so important with buyers and agents...;-)

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 04:25 AM
Dale Baker
Baker Energy Audits and Commercial Properties Inspections - Claremont, NH
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there Ann

Aluminum wiring, is one especially hazardous condition, that professional electricians inadvertently helped to create. Throughout the 1960's, aluminum was promoted as a low- cost alternative to expensive copper cable. The connections will corrode and heat up. In 1971 the Underwriter's Laboratories called for stricter listings. In the meantime, there was many homes and lives that were lost to fires that could have been avoided.

The problem with aluminum is that over time and usage, where it joins to outlets, switches, appliances and so on, it can actually help it to unwind from a fitting, and loose fittings can cause arcing, which can lead to a fire. Whereever it makes contact with plugs or appliances, an approved connector, that is sometimes marked ( CO/ALR ) musted be used.

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Jan 21, 2009 12:07 PM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Dale,

Thank you for the information about the hazards of aluminum wiring.  I will be passing all of this along to my buyers...

Ann

Jan 21, 2009 01:11 PM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Dale commented on the hazards of aluminum wiring, but many of those hazards can be controlled by applying anti-oxidant paste to the ends of the wires, and by installing Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters in the electric panel, and by cutting off the ends of the aluminum wiring and splicing with copper wire, a "pigtail." The splice must use approved CU/AL connectors (inadvertently noted in Dale's post as "CO/ALR" connectors). Such connectors should explicitly state that they are approved for CU/AL connections, not "sometimes."

(I think Dale was having a bad typing day.)

Jan 21, 2009 09:33 PM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Russel,

Happens to me often...the bad typing.  I think my fingers move faster than my brain...

Thank you again,

Ann

Jan 23, 2009 02:32 PM
James Graner
Residential Services: http://appraisalmo.com - Saint Charles, MO

I cannot help thinking that this is a hard sell to get a seller to pay for this service. The first argument would be "The home made it this long."

 

 

Jan 31, 2009 12:27 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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James,

It likely would be...  I know there can be problems and I wanted the opinion and guidance of the experts.  No one wants to have a house fire.....

Thanks for stopping by,

Ann

Jan 31, 2009 12:43 PM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

Have seen two old old mobile homes that had aluminum wiring.   Was it that much cheaper to make them with the silver stuff rather than copper?

Mar 07, 2009 11:56 PM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Andrew,

I am not sure why they tried it.  I would imagine someone was trying to be innovative.

Thanks for stopping by,

Ann

Mar 10, 2009 02:44 PM
Bill Dean
Haggerty Team St. Louis, Mo. - Fenton, MO
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Ann,

I am also in St. Louis and one of the inspectors I use is Frank Reuther.  He has been doing inspections about 17-18 years.  When I asked him about it he said, " it's in the house I have lived in about 30 years and I have no plans to change it!"  Bill

Mar 23, 2009 05:28 PM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
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Bill,

It is my understanding the wiring is okay as long as the connections have not eroded over time.  Also the proper connectors need to be used/have been used.  It is a safety issue with copper too, however, t is less likely the connectors used will be wrong with the copper.  :-)

Thank you for stopping by,

Ann

Mar 25, 2009 10:36 AM
Anonymous
Bill Urban

Here is the definitive word from Dr. Jesse Aronstein, PH.D., P.E.:

http://www.inspectapedia.com/aluminum/alreduce.pdf

Part N. Do Nothing? is a must read.

Bottom line is that all 200-300 electrical circuit connections where an aluminum wire connects to something  (socket, breaker, junction box) or another aluminum wire is a point of concern.  Each one will degrade over time and fail (worse case includes starting a fire) without warning.  Another concern is if there is a large change in cicuit amperage which is quite likely when a new family moves into a house for at least some of the circuits.  Because of this decay, a house that has been "fine" for 30 or 40 years is actually lesss safe then when the wiring was installed (and it will only get worse with time).

Bill

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