Playing our Position

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip R.E. LLC) Westchester County NY License # 49FA1074963

I still recall the instructor from my original 1996 license course admonishing our class that agents never give legal, accounting, or any other advice that is beyond the scope of our duty. We were even coached to repeat the phrase "I cannot give you legal advice." Wise words.

In New York, the real estate transaction involves many professionals: agents, lawyers, title company, appraiser, home inspector, lender, loan officer, and so forth. While we do not operate in individual vacuums and there is some cross pollination of duties (I might provide an appraiser with comparable sale information, for example), by and large everyone plays their position. When one professional tries to wear that hat of another, it is an invitation for problems.

On a recent home inspection, my agent reported to me that the inspector advised the buyer that the presence of electrical fuses instead of a circuit breaker panel could cause problems with the mortgage lender. I have sold real estate for 13 years and originated mortgages for another 7; I have never heard of this. I asked Tom Ginis, one of the managers at Residential Home Funding if he had ever heard such a thing or if he was aware of any underwriting guideline to this effect. He had no idea where the claim could come from. He also wondered aloud why a home inspector would make such a foray into underwriting.

The problems that can arise from this sort of thing are numerous. First, in our marketplace inspections are done before contracts are signed. After a spirited negotiation on price and terms, this can muddy up the waters. Now our buyer, who is putting down a substantial amount on a conventional loan, has a new worry. If the reason were legitimate, fine. But no professional I have asked (myself included) agrees with this guy. We now have to devote time and energy to reassuring the buyer and researching mortgage underwriting to prove that she won't have a problem getting approved. This is to say nothing of the fact that I have closed two recent FHA transactions on homes with fuses.

I have since heard that he sells insurance and moonlights as a home inspector. Now he's underwriting loans in in basements. How silly! We should all play our position. Otherwise, the domino effect adversely affects both clients and colleagues. Buyers: Don't work with part time professionals one of the biggest transactions in your life.

Comments (14)

Debra Cernick
DeShazer Ryan Realty - Libby, MT

Better words never spoken!  I often have trouble getting that through to my agents when they are new.

They want to seem knowledgeable and try to offer too much information . Thanks for the reminder.

Mar 08, 2009 12:41 AM
Miriam Bernstein, CRS
Rochester, NY

So true Philip. Sometimes the problem is that the buyer asks the Inspector for a possible resolution to issues raised and instead of saying "ask your broker" or "I don't know" they make up answers or pretend to know.  I have had that happen as well.  I challenged the Inspector on some of the stuff they were saying.

Mar 08, 2009 12:46 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Philip, very true! I also told my students something similar when I taught the principles class.

Mar 08, 2009 01:06 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate

Phillip, Great points and always good to be reminded of not crossing the line.  When I sold real estate in CA we had a lot of old wiring and we did run into some problems with fuses but things have changed so much that I'm sure your experts in lending and insurance can provide the best information!

Mar 08, 2009 01:24 AM
Pat Champion
John Roberts Realty - Eustis, FL
Call the "CHAMPION" for all your real estate needs

How right you are-we need to remember this though all our years of service. Thanks for sharing.

Mar 08, 2009 01:38 AM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Phillip, yes you are right about telling buyers Don't work with part time professionals one of the biggest transactions in your life. Although sometimes in my working experience, as much as you can coach your buyer or even seller at times, they will do whatever they want to do anyway. And unfortunately, we become the janitor or rescuer to put out someone's mess!

Mar 08, 2009 03:44 AM
Anonymous
Lady Litigator

You are quite right.  However, as a lawyer, I will admit that no one knows the mechanics of closing docs better than the title company and I will gladly defer to their expertise if one of my documents is incorrect (heaven forbid).  Yes, we should each play our own role but be willing to learn from each other as well.

Now the realtors reading this, please close your ears because you won't like this...............As to the buyers/sellers out there, pay attention, there is no one more important to you and watching out for your best interest than the advocate attorney you hired to represent you.  Therefore, since he/she makes a fraction of what the realtor is earning on this deal, please realize what a bargain you are getting and stop complaining about the small flat fees that most of us charge you for what has now become an arduous task to close any property.  When all is said and done, we probably make -$50/hour on the deal.

Mar 08, 2009 06:53 AM
#7
J. Philip Faranda
J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip R.E. LLC) Westchester County NY - Briarcliff Manor, NY
Broker-Owner

The incendiary femme fatale of jurisprudence strikes! Lady (AL)Litigator does bring up another fine example of cross pollination that blurs the lines between our roles.

An attorney with the expertise of Lady Litigator is worth many times more than $50 per hour, and my view is that with many files we work hard on in this market that we are all underpaid. It is a slippery slope to argue more deeply about it.

Mar 08, 2009 12:05 PM
Anonymous
Lady Litigator

Sorry, Phil, I can't resist......but in any market, whether it's a $400K property or a $2.5million property............the fact is, realtors are still getting 4-6% and attorneys have to beg for $1,500.  It's a crime!

Mar 08, 2009 12:24 PM
#9
J. Philip Faranda
J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip R.E. LLC) Westchester County NY - Briarcliff Manor, NY
Broker-Owner

It isa crime. You are grossly underpaid. Some attorneys are grossly overpaid, even at $1500, but the same goes for agents too. I seem to recall a time when attorneys charged a point for closing.

Mar 08, 2009 12:43 PM
Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

You make good points. Thanks for bringing them up.

Mar 08, 2009 02:38 PM
Anonymous
Lady Litigator

FYI - attorneys haven't charged a point for a closing in at least 20 years that I know of.....how old are you Mr. Faranda?  LOL

Mar 09, 2009 05:16 AM
#12
Marchel Peterson
Results Realty - Spring, TX
Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro

Wow, do we do things different.  Our inspections don't happen until after the contract is completely negotiated.  I agree that we should not try to do someone else's job.  I'm not sure why an inspector would give advice about an underwriting issue.

Mar 09, 2009 02:03 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Home inspections are a "pain in the butt" I think in general. I do see the need however to have one and to know as a buyer what issues, if any exist. However the buck should stop there. If there are issues the inspector should mention it of course and leave it there. Let the buyer do what they feel is needed, like negotiate the price down or have the seller fix the issue. This is why dealing the Home Inspection companies you know and have down business with before is worth it.An inspection can screw up a deal sometimes, for no major reason.

Portsmouth NH Real Estate

Mar 10, 2009 11:56 AM

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