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Time in a Bottle...Short Sales R US????

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Real Estate Agent with Liberty Homes RS-#62825

Short SalesWith all the past 'flakey' transactions going on in the past, ACT 137, (Mortgage Rescue Fraud Prevention Act) was passed by the Hawaii Legislature and signed into law by the Governor on June 3, 2008. This act protects Hawaii consumers from those that prey on homeowners who face property foreclosures, liens or encumbrances.

I have not listed any short sales nor have I sold any due to my clientele being mostly military relocation clients who are not willing to wait out the time period just to find out if their contract may/may not be accepted.

It's not to say I didn't try....I did put in five offers recently...all were turned down.

They are also staying in hotels and for military personnel it is NOT the best option  when they have little children and staying in the hotel for the duration of a transaction.....let alone the extra time and a lengthy process to have the lender approve it first!

Randy Prothero, fellow agent in my office as well as long time ActiveRain member wrote a post Lack of Action by Banks is Causing Harm best describes the inadequate staffing for lenders taking care of short sales. The time length and the amount of files a processor is handling is causing properties to stay on the market longer than needed and some may steer clear of these when it comes to buying a property.....yesterday.

A property is considered a "distressed" property if there has not been payment on the property for sixty days and over.

Act 137 makes it clearer to say that when the property becomes ‘distressed' that:

...........Thus, it is no longer possible for a real estate licensee (or anyone else, for that matter, unless they are specifically exempted from the Act) to assist or even coach an owner of Distressed Property with regard to lien holders, without entering into a Distressed Property Consultant Contract, which specifically defines notices that must be given, obligations and restrictions placed upon services to be rendered, and a limitation on the charges that can be made for such services..........

HUH?

If a consumer has the time to wait around in hopes that the underpriced home showing up in their emailed list of properties will be their home they could MAYBE get lucky.   Remember, Hawaii is made up of little islands and we just have so much buildable land on each island. So, the inventory is there but the prices are still high for the most part, gone down in some areas, remained the same in others.

For others, such as the relocating military who usually don't have a whole lot of money when they get here it doesn't seem like a good alternative for the  'waiting game':

  • HopeThey do have a healthy Basic Housing Allowance every month that Uncle Sam gives them on top of their salary They also have COLA (cost of living allowance) added on to adjust for our higher living costs in Hawaii.
  • Until their allowances ‘kick in' they have no alternative when putting in an offer but to ask for a credit for closing costs...which pretty much lowers the net price of a short sale to the point the bank is looking at all the rest of the offers.....first. 
  • Should they WAIT?.... HOPING...WISHING .....when they can get into something else in another area....asap.
  • The problem is that they do not have but 30-60 days in a hotel before they have to find a rental....or they are threatened to go into base housing lest they lose their place in line should they not find adequate housing 

 Again, short sales may be out of reach due to time constraints for the buyer....the seller....and US

Bottom line, the majority of short sales are either beyond reach for some and a great deal for others.

There is no in between.

 

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Celeste "Sally" Cheeseman is a Realtor-Associate with Century 21 Liberty Homes in Mililani, Hawaii. With a sharp understanding that a listening ear is the key to a client's needs  she serves the island of Oahu (Honolulu County) and all Hawaii Military Relocating to Hawaii, Hawaii Retirees, Hawaii Job Transfers and Hawaii Residents. Website: www.hawaiihomesmarket.com

  

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Celeste "Sally" Cheeseman  is a Realtor-Associate® and Certified Residential Specialist (CRS) with Century 21 Liberty Homes in Mililani, Hawaii. With a sharp understanding that a listening ear is the key to a client's needs  she serves the island of Oahu (Honolulu County) and all Hawaii Military Relocations, Hawaii Retirees, Hawaii Job Transfers and Hawaii Residents, Home Buyers and Sellers.

 

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Comments(29)

Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Kate: It's only challenging with the short sales. Bank owned are a breeze (not many though) and we have a moving market because of the military.  The Act 137 is enough to take a deep breath and step back to evaluate the scope of it. There are many in violation and hopefully the language can be better understood.

Cameron: Having ones OWN pictures surely brings out the best in a post :) :)

Maggie: You're right about that!  I do believe that there is something comparable on the market that is better than the wait time...and worrying about if we'll get booted out of the equation. Sometimes the same applies to listing a relocation property. After 3 mos. they give it to 'their' people.

 

 

Mar 21, 2009 04:54 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Fernando...of course they exist. Did you read the 'new law' I posted in my post?  It's just not a matter of the significance that a short sale can work...it's all in the manner of the situation and circumstances for each client an for whom it may work for.

Randy: It's not that I don't do them...it's the point that I've put in a few offers and none worked...for my military clients. With tighter lending and lengthier processes...plus the wait time for a short sale to GET approved....and then the time to close (30-45 days) it's too lengthly a process for some....a bargain for others who can waiti. 

Mar 21, 2009 04:58 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Laura: Oh, I don't think it's about energy here....clients get frustrated and move on.... and there are other properties available without all the 'red tape'.

Lenn: I agree. They don't understand...and why should they understand when everything else on the market is moving in a timely manner. On top of everything...they complicate everything here with an Act that is not really being heard.

Mar 21, 2009 05:01 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Hey Mike: Yeah...it sure has become a thorn in the side to even try to understand the timely process. I worked with clients 4 mos before even getting here. NONE worked out....

Ron: Even my clients and I started 4 mos prior and still...none worked out...over here it's just a bidding war. I can imagine when the market starts going back up...OMG.

Mar 21, 2009 05:05 AM
Kent Anderson
Coldwell Banker Resort Realty, Sandpoint, Idaho - Sandpoint, ID
from Schweitzer to the Lake
Sally, I, too, stay away from short sales if possible (I actually have 2 listed right now, to my chagrin). I hate to see my clients disappointed when their short sale offer languishes forever...especially when there are comparable properties usually available that can close in a timely manner.

I do feel for the homeowner facing a short sale scenario, however. We do live in difficult times.

Mar 21, 2009 05:52 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Hey Kent: It can work for both buyer and seller if the process were more organized.

Mar 21, 2009 06:47 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Sally the shortest closing that I have had on a short sales was 78 days from the day the contract was first signed.  Most of them are more around the 100 day mark for me.

Mar 21, 2009 07:52 AM
Lizette Fitzpatrick
Lizette Realty - Richmond KY - Lexington, KY
Lizette Realty, Lexington KY MLS - Kentucky Homes

Sally, I just closed on the second and last short sale I will do. From now on they will be referred out.

Mar 21, 2009 09:11 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Sally - oh yes, they are a trial for all concerned. I have offers in on two, one an "approved" short (whatever THAT means) that we are still waiting on. I do, however, know of some folks who have been fortuante to have short sales close in less than 60 days...but then they were single lender deals.

Jeff

Mar 21, 2009 10:23 AM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

Sally, What a shame that ALL of yours were turned down.  I know there is a lot involved with a short sale and wish I knew more about them.  Yu definitely have a challanging market with short sales and the time factors.

Mar 21, 2009 12:03 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

George: Yeah...the problem with the military is that they do not have time to wait for an answer....and if turned down ....wait on another one...

Lizette: I am thinking twice about them as well. It takes much time and effort to keep putting in offers and then bunches of other offers come in and ours gets left in the dust. Even after adjusting one of our offers it still was left in the dust.

 

Mar 21, 2009 12:32 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Jeff: I know this is not something you and I have dealt with in the past ...and it is so time consuming ...my clients (military) do not have the time to piddle around.

Carole: Yeah...but that's the game going on now. I am closing on a property (next week) and I represented the seller...there are a couple in the area that are short sales....this one was not and got two offers and in contract by day 11.

Mar 21, 2009 12:34 PM
Sheldon Neal
Bergen County, NJ - RE/MAX Real Estate Limited - Maywood, NJ
That British Agent Bergen County NJ

Hi Sal !

It is indeed a trying transaction with a short sale. But there is definitely a benefit to knowing the expected process and for the right buyer who can wait, they can be a great option.

I have closed two this yr already and have 2 more on the hook (both approved and in the limbo period to closing).

There are waay too many unknowns to make any short sales a 'slam dunk' but the people who have bought them in my transactions got terrific deals, and the homeowners breathed a huge sigh of relief.

... but that's in my area... it may well be different up with you ... sorry they've been so tricky for you :o(

I think they may be here to stay for a while, so I wish you luck, and hope the process gets more streamlined and quicker !

Cheers Sally and good luck !

Sheldon

Mar 21, 2009 03:44 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Sheldon: The tricky is not getting sticky with our new law as well. It makes things more complicated and with incoming military personnel they do not have the time to wait around. Yes, it can be a blessing for the ones who do get to buy ....then again, our prices are high and coming in with 20% is not chump change on a 500k and up home. Therefore, the VA loan at 100% is great for the military but time is definitely not on their hands.

Mar 21, 2009 04:10 PM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Woo Hoo, You did a great job on this dissertation about Short Sales and why they mostly don't work for the Military transfers. I know that agents collect offers and the bank sits on them. Maybe they should do some hiring of the many that have lost their jobs and get some of this paper handled. There need not be the 60 to 90 days that it usually takes from the time the offers start coming in. It is ridiculous and so not necessary. The truth is the banks benefit by these delayed times frames and getting buyers to out bid the others. Then many back out and they start all over again.

Mar 21, 2009 04:11 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

William:  Yup...that's it in a nutshell isn't it? And when they all back out then they have to start all over again and they still...end up owing more money.

What I've run across is the bank sits on them for so long and HOAO dues are in arrears of up to a year or more and expect the buyer to pay off that too!

Mar 21, 2009 04:57 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Sally- THis is the same ridiculous legislation that Washington state passed. I guess Hawaii followed Washington State on this one. It ties the agents hands. I coach agents in WA and their brokers told them they could no longer do short sales. Most of the agents I coached had to start their own brokerages to do them. This is so ridiculous because who better to help them than the realtor.

Mar 21, 2009 05:50 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Katerina: That is a fact... we need a better process so that the time limit is cut and sellers don't end up going into the distressed property situation because of it.

Mar 21, 2009 06:02 PM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Sally-wow that is quite a set of handcuff that the state decided to put on agents.  The issues isn't with the agents "coaching" of an owner but with the lenders who are overwhelmed and don't understand the value of accepting a market value offer on a short sale property.  I've watched properties where my clients made an offer while it was a short sale go to foreclosure and end up selling for 50K less. 

Mar 21, 2009 11:34 PM
Susan Neal
RE/MAX Gold, Fair Oaks - Fair Oaks, CA
Fair Oaks CA & Sacramento Area Real Estate Broker

Hi Sally - The best advice I can give if buyers want to pick up a gret bargain on a short sale (not usually as trashed as many REOs are, because they haven't yet been foreclosed) is to work with an agent who is experienced in short sales.  I have buyers wanting short sales and sometimes the listing agents have no idea what they are doing.  It is frustrating when I ask questions about the status of dealings with the bank and they don't even know what I'm talking about.  Another agent in our office and I are doing a lot of short sale work these days and we have connections - either directly or indirectly - with the asset managers in many of the banks, so we can often get responses sooner than other agents. 

You do, however, have to respect that the asset managers are overwhelmed these days in many banks.  Others have hired and trained addiitonal personnel.  Yelling at them can only delay work on your deal - they are only human, after all, with frustrations of their own.  Bottom line - short sales are tricky, and not for the occasional dabbler in them.

Mar 22, 2009 05:48 PM