Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites, "Our Knowledge Empowers You"  (Berkshire Hathaway HS Florida Realty)

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Peter Testa
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God rest the souls of the people who are now gone because of this tragedy. I'm sure not one of them woke up that morning knowing what their fate would be that day. I'm tired of hearing about these shootings, one would wonder how many more times this is going to happen before it's treated  like the epidemic it has become. 

So I live one town over from Newtown, CT, where the Sandy Hook shooting was. That was a terrible time but I've never seen people pull together more. People's home values weren't affected; their families, their hearts & their minds were. 

 

 

Feb 15, 2018 11:01 AM
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Jim Cheney
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I have a listing that is 1 block from a local elementary school, and I think residents would feel better knowing that a child is only a 1block run to the house. 

 

We live in scary times and it seems nobody in DC is willing to talk about it.  They are more concerned about keeping immigrants out while our own kids are killing each other in school.  What is it going to take to get some action on this topic.  

Feb 15, 2018 11:19 AM
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Ken Jones
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Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites Events like that terrible shooting in your town yesterday tend not to have a lasting effect if any effect at all.

Even the terrorist attacks of 9/11 didn't have a negative effect on value in New York or New Jersey.

These events, as horrible as they are, tend to be recognized for being an abortion and not likely to occur again; the lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place theory.

It's not like you live in the Pork 'n Beans in Miami, or in the West Ward of Newark (NJ) where there are shootings, robberies, and assaults on an almost daily basis.

So, if I were in your position, I'd be reassuring my sellers that this event is likely only a tiny blip on the radar that will fade quickly without any meaningful effect on the desirability of your property or its value.

Feb 15, 2018 12:08 PM
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Dorie Dillard
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Thank you Peter Testa ,

A good answer coming from experience.

Feb 15, 2018 06:12 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, Realtor, ePRO, CRS, RCS-D
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Nope, we had one in UTC-La Jolla last summer and it's still expensive.

Feb 15, 2018 06:05 PM
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Kathleen Daniels
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I cannot get my mind around a discussion regarding home values in the area of such a tragic and evil act.  It is not like a natural disaster, flood, fire, tornado, etc.  In life, we rebuild and grow stronger. We have seen it done repeatedly.  

Feb 15, 2018 10:54 AM
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Kat Palmiotti
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I am sorry to hear this was in your neighborhood. It's a tragedy for everyone, but particularly painful when you know the people, the school, the neighborhood.

To answer your question, I do not believe this will affect the property values. It might cause a brief flurry of house sales though.

Feb 15, 2018 10:50 AM
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Debbie Reynolds
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It will stun people for a time but then business will get back to usual as security will be at an ultrahigh level. It is so sad.

Feb 15, 2018 09:25 PM
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Dr. Karen Lewis, Broker
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Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites One of my agents (she has two grandkids that attends that school) and they are still in shock.  His teacher died trying to save a kid...

I was at gym this am and lady said she was going to move to Parkland but not anymore.  I don't think it will affect the value of Parkland..

Feb 15, 2018 06:51 PM
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William Feela
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I still have these people in my prayers.

 

As for the values, some people will void and others won't care.

Feb 15, 2018 06:24 PM
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J.R. Schloemer, CRS
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I find it difficult to believe mass shootings affect things, since it is typically an isolated instance. I do believe murderous patterns have a large impact in values though.

Feb 15, 2018 03:41 PM
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Alan May
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I wish I could tell you.  Eventually, I would imagine, that things would return to "normal"... as they have in Columbine.  But in the short term... it might??  I just don't know.

I am so sorry, and can't imagine how difficult this is for your local community.  My heartfelt sympathies.

Feb 15, 2018 01:03 PM
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
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Personally I would think not. Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites . Parents like to live near a school, especially an elementary school. Now that may change greatly with the size of the school, I personally would not want to live to close to a big High School just because of the noise and traffic factors. That being said the chance of a 2nd school shooting at the same school would seem remote to me so once again in my opinion I do not think so.

Feb 15, 2018 12:13 PM
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Richie Alan Naggar
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It has a "shock" affect and then with guidance defaults to the norm

Feb 15, 2018 11:17 AM
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Barbara Todaro
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No, that won't affect value.... and I'm so sorry to hear about all of the tragedy.... but this could happen anywhere, in any town or city throughout the country..... 

 

Feb 15, 2018 10:55 AM
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Corinne Guest
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No I don't believe so. it's more likely to cause parents to consider home schooling than anything. With 18 incidents in schools this year already, I know I would. But people move on real fast if it does not directly affect them. It's just human nature.

Feb 15, 2018 10:52 AM
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Lyn Sims
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Who is going to keep your imagination in check? I do not think it will & you might want to investigate other areas this has happened. Housing is a totally seperate entity upon itself. Will people probably move? I bet there will be but something like this can happen in their new area too.

Feb 15, 2018 10:33 AM
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Fred Griffin
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      No, it won't affect values.  The alleged perp is behind bars; that's the end of it.  And under Florida Law, you (real estate agents) don't have to disclose that a homicide may have occurred. 

 

Feb 15, 2018 10:25 AM
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Wayne and Jean Marie Zuhl
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I'm hearsick over the events in Parkland and my thoughts and prayers are woefully inadequate, as are the thoughts and prayers of the politicians. I also have a difficult time imagining a Parkland resident prioritizing home values at this time. I don't know how many more children will have to die before sensible gun control is enacted, but the video of the mother of one of the victims begging the President to "DO SOMETHING" will haunt me forever.

I can't speak with any experience to your question, but my guess is that the homoes of the victims (and accused) will be stigmatized for a while.

Feb 16, 2018 07:21 AM
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Joe Pryor
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I would keep this separate. With I believe 18 mass shootings already in the US you might want to say the whole country.

Feb 16, 2018 05:48 AM
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Nina Hollander
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I doubt it. Just because there was a mass shooting once in a specific location due to a deranged person is no indicator that it will happen again.

Feb 16, 2018 05:22 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
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Ken Jones, ASA, CRES nailed this one!

Feb 16, 2018 05:19 AM
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Wayne Martin
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Time will heal the wounds as will community involvement. You are on your way but it does take time!

Feb 16, 2018 05:17 AM
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Gita Bantwal
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Do not know.

Feb 16, 2018 04:34 AM
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Inna Ivchenko
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It is just heartbreaking........prayers to the families.......so sad.

Feb 15, 2018 11:11 PM
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Dee Toohey
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Immediately, perhaps, but it will go away.  When Travon Martin was killed, no one wanted to buy in Sanford for a little bit.  Then it turned around.  

Feb 15, 2018 06:32 PM
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Roy Kelley
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My thoughts and prayers are with your community. 

The national news reports have presented a very positive image of your community. 

Feb 15, 2018 04:49 PM
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Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites
Berkshire Hathaway HS Florida Realty - Parkland, FL
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wonderful suport from you and very different points of view .

 thnak you for all your repsonses 

Feb 15, 2018 12:37 PM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
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Will it affect values?  All of those affected will eventually want to put distance between themselves and the location of their great despair.

Based on their pace to process grief, they will sell. The pace is so varied that the market is unlikely to experience a flood of houses for sale. Those seeking to buy will not devalue the location because of the event. Nearly a year or more will have passed.

As a society a response to poorly thought out knee jerk action that does not address the issue will inspire a rush to sedate what we as a society has allowed to happen to our young people.

All of the answers to 'Why do these young people believe writing their final chapter, if a volley of fire and smoke,  is a reasonable way?" are ill conceived.

IT IS NOT A GUN OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

It is a societal issues that amplifies the isolation and loneliness of a marginalized group of young men. In the past 40 years how has social re-engineering created the situation where these young men do not know, have not been allowed to discover in their natural way, where they fit within our society? 

The answer and the solution are not hard to find. But the same PHD's that created the problem will be called in to solve it. God help us and the young innocent who are both the victim and villain. 

We have failed as a society, in our responsibilities to our children. We have allowed others to shackle the parent regarding what the parent MUST do to raise their children to be mature, responsible, creative, loyal, dependable participants in the world they will inherit.

But each voice we will hear has an agenda, And none of the agendas have sufficient vision to affect this population in a positive, meaningful way.

I have witnessed communities bind themselves closely as a family when threatened by tragedy and disaster. When allowed to process their grief, they emerge as those planted by the deep water, with a peace and love that is beyond understanding.

Those who do no process, carry their fragility into every relationship of every kind, and the senseless tragedy claims another victim.  It is not what you do today that matters. It is what you do on some insignificant Tuesday a few months from now that your 'Tell me how you are doing?' appeal will be meet with tears and the sobbing body that is worn out from keeping the strong face. Now you can make a difference.

Feb 15, 2018 12:05 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
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Lea and Rubin,

We once spoke at a middle school that was surrounded by 10 foot fences topped with barbed wire, and two police cars assigned to it.  We had to show our ID to get in.  

I have no knowledge of your town or your market, and cannot predict the outcome intelligently.  A

Feb 15, 2018 11:33 AM
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Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your community, Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites. - Tim 

Feb 15, 2018 11:30 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
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Yes, in Sandy Hook, Newtown, CT families with young children did not want to be in the Sandy Hook elementary school district.

Feb 15, 2018 11:23 AM
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Sam Shueh
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In where I live NO. Bloody stains are washed and shortly forgotten. Drug factory , bullet holes are filled quickly.....

 

Feb 15, 2018 11:21 AM
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Bob Crane
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So sorry to hear of this tragedy.

 

Feb 15, 2018 10:39 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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In my view, no it will not impact property values.  Active Shooter threats are rare and have been around a long, long time.  I remember stories of schools in the 50s where one student threatened to shoot up the high school, so the students went to the parking lot AND GOT THE SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES OUT OF THEIR TRUCKS and sat watch over the school.  The shooter did not attack (and I assume probably crapped his pants when he saw armed resistance).

 

One off situations like the nightclub attack, movie theater shootings, school shootings are understood to be rare events.  Now if you were in Norway where it has become "acceptable" for migrants to gang rape 14 year old (or younger) girls and THE COURTS ALLOW IT, that would be a different topic all together.

Feb 16, 2018 09:35 AM
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Gabe Sanders
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For the short term, maybe.

Feb 16, 2018 05:30 AM
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Michael J. Perry
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uncertain 

Feb 16, 2018 03:43 AM
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Praful Thakkar
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Lea Plotkin & Rubin Wites - I am sure it will - initially. Hopefully, people will forget this soon.

Feb 15, 2018 10:42 PM
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Joan Cox
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Our hearts to out to you and your community at such a senseless shooting.

Feb 18, 2018 11:17 AM
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Debbie Gartner
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First, I'm so sorry about all of this for you/your community.  It makes me really sad.

Second, I don't think anyone knows for sure.  I would expect no difference long term, but short term, it probably would (e.g. over next 6 months to a year).  And, part of that may be due to some of these families wanting to relocate to put these terrible memories behind them.

 

It seems to me after 9/11 that Manhattan properties went down (but clearly bounced back a few years later).  I live 30 minutes from NYC, so we certainly had a lot of people moving here (as well as Long Island, other boroughs and even some to NJ I would guess) and many of them specifically said it was due to 9/11.  Also, I seem to remember lots of people who lived here (in the suburbs) getting new jobs so they wouldn't have to commute to the City.  Because, you know, NYC is always a target.

 

But a school is a one off unfortunate random event, and think most people see it that way.  I also think that soon there will be other measures taken there which will make it safer.

 

NY bounces back because it's NY and it will always be attractive.  And, it's sometimes more attractive to outsiders. 

 

I did have a job in the City from 2004-2007 and I have to tell you that I would get nervous every day when I was in Grand Central station and couldn't wait for the train to leave.  Many just don't want or need that stress.

 

I still can't look up in Downtown and it's more than 16 years.  I'm happy to stay here in the suburbs.  I don't need that daily stress.

 

It's the people that live there and experienced it that will never forget, not the ones moving there.

Feb 18, 2018 10:15 AM
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Anthony Kirlew
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I am so sorry that this happened, and sorry that it happened in your area.

I can't imagine that anyone would allow that to impact home values and it can happen in any neighbor. Just writing that makes me feel sick. Life was not like that when I was growing up and I don't think I ever imagined a violent act taking place at my school

Feb 17, 2018 08:55 PM