Fred Griffin presently on Leave of Absence, Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker (Fred Griffin Real Estate)

Spam prevention
Rainmaker
680,409
Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

Annoyance Marketing.
Not effective.

Jun 15, 2018 07:26 AM
Rainmaker
2,974,333
Nina Hollander
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Charlotte, NC
Your Charlotte/Ballantyne/Waxhaw/Fort Mill Realtor

Don't know about trainers. No way in my board to mail to the entire board. I don't mind them, as I often catch a "gem" that because of tight search criteria didn't pop up in my mls search. It's easy enough to delete.

Jun 15, 2018 07:06 AM
Ambassador
1,611,684
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I still believe in permission based marketing so when I get these I unsubscribe to the sender. It is just clutter to me.

Jun 15, 2018 07:05 AM
Rainmaker
2,895,002
Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

Spam plus an insult to my intelligence.  They must think I don't know how to use mls.

Jun 15, 2018 07:01 AM
Ambassador
3,914,467
Jeff Dowler, CRS
Solutions Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

There's a lot of it but not sure it's increasing. Not sure who recommends it. I certainly don't the announcements of new listings, price changes, and open houses of homes in other parts of the country.

Jun 15, 2018 07:27 AM
Rainmaker
4,869,353
Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Franklin, MA
Marketing Agent for The Todaro Team

I delete all of that.... and I never email any listings....

Jun 15, 2018 07:17 AM
Rainmaker
429,179
Greg Large
ERA Real Solutions - Grove City, OH
A Tradition of Trust

definitely SPAM.

Jun 15, 2018 07:04 AM
Rainmaker
1,211,014
Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
www.HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

According to the definition of spam as "UCBE" Unsolicited Commercial Bulk Email, yes this is spam.  I know the San Ferndando Valley Association of Realtors provides as part of it's member services the ability to mass mail these types of emails to all their agents and surrounding area agents.  That's why I used to routinely get emails about properties in Michael Jacobs' area (which over an hour away from me, maybe close to 2 hours).

 

I've gone through and unsubscribed.  If it comes from Mailchimp or Constant contact I open the headers and follow the abuse link and report them as spam.  Now I get maybe one or two a week.    

Jun 15, 2018 09:47 AM
Rainmaker
4,313,288
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Fred,

I have no idea who recommends annoying others, but given your evidence they do.  A

Jun 15, 2018 07:20 AM
Ambassador
2,801,556
Anna Banana Kruchten CRB, CRS 602-380-4886
Phoenix Property Shoppe - Phoenix, AZ
Arizona's Top Banana!

NO! NO! NO!  We used to do this YEARS ago with some eflyer deal but agents HATE being spammed. We stopped this pratice back in the dark ages folks.  If I have clients that are looking in a specific area I will find and know what's out there for my clients. I do not want a gazillion listings popping into my mailbox every day.

Jun 15, 2018 10:16 AM
Rainmaker
1,024,227
Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTACONDOS.COM
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

I deleted and unsubscribe from it.

Jun 15, 2018 05:44 PM
Rainmaker
522,652
Peter Testa
Nationwide Homes - Danbury, CT
PETER TESTA

I get Agent's pushing their listings in my email. I wouldn't email a database of Agents. I'd probably do a Broker Open House & capture those Agents who are interested in touring the new properties hitting the market. 

Jun 15, 2018 12:58 PM
Ambassador
2,344,389
Fred Griffin presently on Leave of Absence
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

 

   I check the MLS update a couple of times per day, every day.  Your new listing, or price change, or status change, will appear in that update.

   I neither need nor appreciate SPAM emails advising me of the same.

 

  

   

Jun 15, 2018 11:24 AM
Rainmaker
3,240,942
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Los Angeles Pasadena 818.516.4393

I also get lots of mls- repeated information.  It's easy to delete and not that time consuming. As far as a training strategy,  maybe a long time ago but doubtful now.

Jun 15, 2018 11:23 AM
Rainmaker
1,505,122
Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg IL Real Estate

No but many people use the services now that make it easier like HomeSnap, etc. I delete them all & will see listings in the MLS if I want to show them.

I will say I don't mind seeing price reductions on listings that I've shown before. Possible reason to go back & put it in front of that buyer again.

Jun 15, 2018 11:05 AM
Rainmaker
104,360
Denise Copeland
Mirsky Realty Group - Palm Beach Gardens, FL
Jupiter Abacoa Sales & Beach Front Luxury Homes

2 of the big firms are automating new listing notifications. I spend more time cleaning out my in box than ever before. I don't actually mind because occassionally I'll see something that I might not normally find for one of my clients. 

Jun 15, 2018 10:37 AM
Rainmaker
442,581
Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

Yes this is Spam, it's annoying, and I delete most of them.

Jun 15, 2018 10:06 AM
Ambassador
4,055,464
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, Keller Williams Fox Cities - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

I dont do it, but I am fine with those who do.

Jun 15, 2018 09:52 AM
Rainmaker
5,264,096
Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Just mark them as spam.

Jun 15, 2018 08:53 AM
Rainmaker
984,364
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

texting. I got 10 yesterday.

Jun 15, 2018 08:47 AM
Rainmaker
729,720
Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

I've seen an increase, so in addition to ignoring and deleting, I've been unsubscribing. Somne trainer send me 7 emails in a row the other day about events she was conducting. It's getting out of hand.

Jun 15, 2018 08:47 AM
Rainmaker
506,933
Dan Tabit
Keller Williams Bellevue - Sammamish, WA

I have a folder just for these and I rarely open it, except to empty them.  If I need to find a listing for a buyer, I use my MLS.  In terms of these emails resulting in a sale, I suppose a 1-2% response would justify doing it, but I don't. 

Jun 15, 2018 08:45 AM
Rainmaker
2,827,179
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR
Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results

Yes there has been an increase, no I do not email new listings, price reduction or the like.

Jun 15, 2018 08:23 AM
Rainmaker
762,163
Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

I do not do it myself. I get tons of them. -Kasey

Jun 15, 2018 08:21 AM
Rainmaker
743,532
Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

Let see.....hmmmm,

Who represents 90% of all buyers? That is a hard one to ignore.

Do MLS provide the ability to REVERSE prospect to agent with buyer clients with established criteria? Your own associon very likely is the inspiration behind such behavior in an effort to establish THEIR relevance.

How many agents depend on their client to find the house they want to see on THE DARKSIDE before doing anything?  To help these lazy agents, a proactive agent may want to broadcast their special listing.

And, with the high skill levels of experienced agents, could one not assume such agents know how to screen their email?

Finally, would a message to the offending agent, stating "If I am compelled to put you in my BLOCK/Spam/direct to trash list, be aware I will not see the offer you may email to me at some future date. Is this the outcome you want for your clients?"  (of course if sent via a 3rd party or from your MLS the offending agent is not exposed to this risk.)

I don't mind seeing what other agents are doing so I can be sure my process is noticeable. The real shame of it is many of these are services to which the agent subscribes and other agents become victim to their pursuit of shiny things. Much like Mail Chimp, such services should/will be intercepted by many ISPs and filters.

PS: When I have perpetrated the very action you mention there was a very substantial, very MEASURABLE beneficial outcome directly related to a RESPONSE from the recipient, not views, not impressions., not even read but a RESPONSE. And that is the outome all marketers want.

Jun 15, 2018 08:19 AM
Rainmaker
1,487,555
Beth Atalay
Cam Realty and Property Management - Clermont, FL
Cam Realty of Clermont FL

Fred Griffin, I'm getting these emails daily, drives me nuts, don't open them. They're also all over the state of FL, not just my area. 

Jun 15, 2018 08:17 AM
Rainmaker
2,763,575
Kathleen Daniels
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
San Jose Homes for Sale-Probate & Trust Specialist

It is SPAM.  I get emails from agents sharing their listing on lake Timbuktu.

Jun 15, 2018 08:17 AM
Rainmaker
1,060,155
Margaret Goss
Baird & Warner Real Estate - Winnetka, IL
Chicago's North Shore & Winnetka Real Estate

I agree - they are annoying and clogging up my inbox. I know how to find what I need.

Jun 15, 2018 08:14 AM
Rainmaker
1,278,300
Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Property Manager

I guess some agents think their listing is more special than the hundreds or thousands of others available.  Just thank the good Lord not everyone does it.  That would be a mess. 

Jun 15, 2018 07:58 AM
Rainmaker
650,951
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

It is like junk mail from the USPS. Some of it may find its way to an interested party. Most will go in the recycling bin or, in your example, delete button.

Jun 17, 2018 11:59 AM
Rainmaker
576,873
Gloria Valvasori, Accredited Senior Agent
BETTER HOMES AND GARDENS REAL ESTATE SIGNATURE SERVICE - Mississauga, ON
REAL Experience | REAL Commitment | REAL Results!

I don't think that's effective... I watch for new listings daily and have my clients on a drip campaign to receive new lisitngs that match the criteria they want in a home.  It annoys me when I get these, especially when its a listing that's  30-40 miles away from me ????  I usually hit the "unsuscribe" button.

Jun 16, 2018 06:47 AM
Ambassador
3,185,357
Debe Maxwell, CRS
www.iCharlotteHomes.com | The Maxwell House Group | RE/MAX Executive | (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
Charlotte Homes for Sale - Charlotte Neighborhoods

Oh, yes! It's like they think we don't know how to use the MLS, isn't it?! 

Jun 15, 2018 10:26 PM
Ambassador
4,298,246
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

Fred Griffin - aren't we all tired of this?

Jun 15, 2018 09:58 PM
Rainmaker
911,112
Thomas J. Nelson, Realtor, ePRO, CRS, RCS-D
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
& Host of Postcards From Success Podcast

I get lots of MLS flyers with all the above. I just unsubscribe and then delete.

Jun 15, 2018 07:51 PM
Rainer
222,517
J.R. Schloemer, CRS
Kentucky Select Properties - Louisville, KY

I like to think of it as reconnaissance. If they are willing to show their hand of marketing and allow me how to better beat them, then let the emails flow and the heads roll.

Jun 15, 2018 07:12 PM
Ambassador
3,075,864
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster REALTORS®, Gainesville, VA - Bristow, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

This is one of my major pet peeves.  I sweart, there are some agents that spam multiple times a day and if I ever got an offer from them, they would move to the bottom of the stack if there was something equal to their offer.  I HATE THIS STUFF.

Jun 15, 2018 06:44 PM
Rainmaker
53,655
Jordan Ayan
The Lifestyle Collection - Scottsdale, AZ
Luxury Market Expert, CLHMS,Million Dollar Guild

Having built one of the first email marketing companies in the country, and having been involved in lobbying efforts when the CAN-SPAM act was enacted, I can tell you that these mailings violate the law.  I see agents violating this every day (I also see them violating the Do not call registry).  One day the FTC is going to clamp down.  

 

I also say it is not very effective.  We have one service here that will email all the agents in the area, and they always are automatically filtered to junk.  Since I did not flag them, it is because the IP address they are sending from is probably blacklisted.  If these agents are sending it through their own server, they stand a chance of all of their email ending up in junk, even when they are mailing to a client.  Not a risk worth taking IMHO.

Jun 15, 2018 04:41 PM
Ambassador
3,042,757
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
RE/MAX Northwest. - Tacoma, WA
Tacoma Washington Agent/Broker & Market Authority!

I don't do this because I don't like getting unsolicited emails filling up my inbox...

Jun 15, 2018 02:34 PM
Ambassador
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

I report them as spam and then their emails go to spam next time.  And yes that has landed a few offers in spam so they better call me if they send an offer.  I ask politely once for them to stop before I spam mark them. 

Jun 15, 2018 12:34 PM
Rainmaker
534,200
Tony Lewis
RE/MAX of Valencia (Hall of Fame) 30 year Valencia Resident - Valencia, CA
RE/MAX Valencia, Stevenson Ranch, Santa Clarita

I have been sending out a monthly email for about fifteen years.  The timing is important but since I send out about 2,000 when it is time to send them it looks like span to yahoo or perhaps even gmail.  Email is not as affective as it once was and even though there's an opt out option they get flagged.  Yahoo is the worst as they don't even reach the spam folder.

Jun 15, 2018 09:00 AM
Rainmaker
3,167,411
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

I will email a listing to a select few I know may have a buyer. Sometimes zero and sometimes up to five. Never any mass emails! They tend to bother me!

Jun 15, 2018 07:50 AM
Rainmaker
4,020,293
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

I always opt out.  If I had a buyer for their home, I would be showing it.   I think it is spam, we get enough emails daily.

Jun 20, 2018 07:30 AM
Rainmaker
724,354
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

It's spam. Our MLS discourages it and sends out periodic reminders to agents to stop. I just unsubsctibe when I get those.

Jun 16, 2018 07:52 PM
Rainmaker
4,796,501
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

It's spam unless they allow us to be removed from their email list.

Jun 16, 2018 07:03 AM
Rainmaker
3,049,871
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
BVO Luxury Group @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
Serving Scottsdale, Phoenix and Maricopa County AZ

Joe Pryor nailed this one!

Jun 16, 2018 04:59 AM
Rainmaker
3,977,611
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I do to those i feel may know of someone in the price range

Jun 15, 2018 07:44 PM
Rainmaker
4,431,983
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

No.

Jun 15, 2018 11:15 AM