787,902
The correct answer for writing the year shorthand is simply proper punctuation. Falsely adding digits would then be obvious.
Use the Apostrophe before the last two digits:
2019='19. 2020='20.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Sandy Padula & Norm Pa...
, CA
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Brenda Mayette
Glenville, NY
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Mimi Foster
Colorado Springs, CO
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Margaret Rome Baltimor...
Pikesville, MD
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Joseph Domino 480-390-...
Scottsdale, AZ
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,090,922
It's not a bad idea and I can see the reasoning behind it but I am not sure it's necessary.
All the contracts, listing agreements, etc. that I prepare FS or TD have the date/year automatically filled in and as far as legal documents in general, the date, month and year appear in the document as well as the signature line so it would be almost impossible to tamper with.
You can make an argument for both schools of thought on this one.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Ryan Huggins - Thousan...
Thousand Oaks, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Barbara Todaro
Franklin, MA
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Peter Mohylsky, Beach ...
Miramar Beach, FL
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
2,390,630
As a Notary Public I always use the complete date Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Barbara Todaro
Franklin, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Greg Large
Grove City, OH
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
4,572,439
It might help but if forgery or fraud is the mindset, other devious/mischievous methods may occur.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Carpinteria, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,844,301
Yes I guess. Never thought about it because I'm not a forger. I will practice it starting today.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
5,583,278
I think you're correct.... and I usually write out the year anyway....
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Brenda Mayette
Glenville, NY
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
5,230,142
Either way is fine with me but, when I write it, I use 2020.
We used 1820 & 1920 so, I think instead of shortening everything as we're known to do, we can at least write the full year - for the sake of history!
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
6,393,609
Nice that our modern docs are all created in dotloop or docusign and the dates are filled in completely both on the form and in the actual signatures.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
617,935
Wanda,
You make a great point. We got used to just doing 18 or 19 but thanks to you I’ll be writing out the full four digit year. Thank you !!! Gold Star !!!
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Margaret Rome Baltimor...
Pikesville, MD
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
3,345,091
The dates are digitally signed on my contracts.
My thought - if someone were to alter a date - they could also alter 2020.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
911,338
02JAN2020 is the usual style used by military. I almost always use 4 digits for the year.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
1,197,545
thanks for sharing but have not given it any thought and not sure how big a problem it will be.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Peter Mohylsky, Beach ...
Miramar Beach, FL
1,052,321
Yeah . . . actually, for sure yeah.
HOWEVER, it would be really hard to make those changes in our already e-signed documents as they are harder to modify.
We do need to have anyone ink-signing make sure and do a Mad Dog on it.
LOL 70s kids will get it . . . the rest of yall are kids!
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
427,267
Haven't thought about it, but that is not a bad idea I suppose.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
5,104,931
Haven't given this any thought... have not run into an issue yet with altered dates on documents, especially those that are esigned. At the end of the day, anyone intent on fraud will find a way to do it.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Brenda Mayette
Glenville, NY
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Diana Zaccaro Broker A...
Cocoa Beach, FL
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
3,383,334
That makes perfect sense. Of course, anyone help bent on altering a document is going to find a way to do it.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,503,008
Not a bad idea, but it's seldom that dates are handwritten. Even if someone did manually change, say a listing contract or BBA to 2018-2019, the preprinted dates in the contract are in the CCYY format and would show the fraud. Not to mention your copy of the contract would have accurate dates.
It's not something I'm going to worry about personally.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Brenda Mayette
Glenville, NY
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
3,587,960
Everything is done via esign which is complete dates. If somebody is going to forge something they will find a way one way of the other.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
2,781,283
NO...unless expressly stated we have a free hand here
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
961,383
This is surely getting a lot of publicity. I like the 2 digit dating but will try to change my habit to make the year 4 digits.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
2,178,703
Probably a good idea... and it looks cool too!
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
378,517
depends if there is doing to be dates on signatures as well, but I normally write it out.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,513,143
There seems to be an entity hell-bent on having everything under a microscope!
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
5,772,575
Wanda,
Whatever will help keep fraud at bay. A
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
1,196,798
I always use a 4 digit year. 2020 is more susceptible though
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
3,854,909
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can! Good suggestion and I had not thought of that!
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
4,161,130
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can! very true, great idea to put complate dates.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,712,676
I go with what the electronic form ask for.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
1,390,113
I think that's a great suggestion.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
921,504
Four digits appears to be a much better option than 2 digits.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,726,096
Brian L. Sirota, Esq. Nailed this one!
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
900,248
I guess writing out makes the date a bit less confusing. And then we have the military or European ways of writing dates, where the date of the month comes first: 2 January 2020 or 02/01/2020...
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
231,948
Sounds like a good plan to follow and as others have mentioned, usign esign or Docusign or similar, it's done automatically.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
3,626,530
For me two digits except for the year, it needs to be all four
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
629,708
I hadn't thought about it. Thanks for the heads up
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
536,943
Great new thing to practice. Never thought about it but can see how it may be a problem. Online signing saves us the trouble.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
5,217,359
Can't hurt. I use 4 digits for the year as a matter of practice.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
5,049,477
It probably makes sense, although our Docusign docs will have the full date. I suspect it would be obvious in some cases if docs were altered. Good to keep in mind...what does it hurt?!
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
7,836,431
A recommended practice.
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
763,883
I read this warning yesterday and will keep it in mind as well as let others know when I think of it. Thank you for the warning, it will help many of us.
5,868,565
1,311,397
There is already software available that will allow dates to be changed and go undetected.
For the most part, we deal with honest people. For those who are not, they will still attempt to achieve their fraudulent goal.
4,936,716