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FHA Condo Approvals – I Wouldn’t Recommend That

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Mortgage and Lending with ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC

FHA Condo Approvals – I Wouldn’t Recommend That

This past week, I fielded a call from New Mexico from the developer of a condominium project regarding getting approved with HUD/FHA.  She had run across my article about new construction and had questions for me regarding her project.

The project is in two phases and only the first phase is complete, a total of 50 units.  Of those, 8 are owned by the developer and are rented to tenants.  This means that she owns more than 10% of the units and the project is not approvable.

She then tells me that technically the 8 units are owned by three different legal HUD Condoentities but that the entities all have the same principals.

How would HUD know that they are owned by the same people?

My answer was that it probably wouldn’t.  I have never had HUD ask who the principals are of the entities that own the non-owner occupied units.

However, one of the forms that must be completed is  Appendix A, which is called a “Project Certification”.  On it, the signer is certifying that the project meets HUD’s guidelines for approval.

Knowing that the project does not meet HUD’s requirements because the same people own more than 10% of the units and signing the certification could be considered as fraud.

My question to the developer was “if something went wrong in the future and you went bankrupt, HUD will launch an investigation.  How would HUD view this situation if it uncovered that the three entities were owned by the same people?”

We agreed that it could be seen as fraud and decided not to pursue the approval until the project composition had changed. 

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The Condominium Project Approval Team at ReadySetLoan is dedicated to helping condominium projects across the nation to obtain their approvals with FHA and the VA or become recertified with FHA.  We have assisted nearly 200 condominiums and we can help your association.

 

ReadySetLoan is an active member of the Connecticut and New England chapters of the Community Associations Institute (CAI) and is a frequent contributor to Common Interest Magazine as an expert in FHA/VA condominium project approvals.

 

Please contact us with any questions regarding FHA or VA condominium project approvals.  You can email me at askeric@readysetloan.com or call me at 404-433-4565. I will be happy to answer any of your questions.

 


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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Many lenders have stopped lending money for condos . It will affect the condo market.

Mar 25, 2012 08:48 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

I honor your level of ingetrity. Some would have been happy to get the business and not cared about doing what is right.

Thank you for sharing your post with all of us.

Mar 25, 2012 10:10 PM
Cindy Edwards
RE/MAX Checkmate - Johnson City, TN
CRS, GRI, PMN - Northeast Tennessee 423-677-6677

That to me is a no brainer. With FHA rates changing, it may not be the best vehicle to purchase with FHA condos anyways.  

Mar 25, 2012 10:24 PM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Joe: The money is simply not worth the potential cost.  One of my earliest mentors frequently used the expression "no sense in getting rich and then going to jail."

Cindy: Many of my mortgage broker friends still say that FHA is the best game in town for condominiums, especially due to the price range being conducive for first-time buyers.  Also, the USDA RD program and many state programs, such as CHFA in CT, work exclusively on the HUD Approved Condominiums list.

Mar 25, 2012 11:35 PM
Rob Spinosa
US Bank - Larkspur, CA
Mortgage Loan Originator, Marin County

I agree with Eric that an FHA approval for a condo project is still worth its weight in gold.  Without it, the first-time buyer has very few options for getting in.  I don't know why every HOA board for any unapproved project is not requesting his help.

Mar 26, 2012 12:12 AM
Dominique Britton
GoHomeToAtlanta.com Realty LLC - 678.250.5022 - Buford, GA
Experience the Difference in Real Estate Services

I applaud your level of ethics and integrity in this situation Eric.

Mar 26, 2012 12:33 AM
Lori Cain
Own Tulsa - Tulsa, OK
Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer

WOW - this is a timely post. I have a condo listed and we found out that their FHA approval expired last year. Approval paperwork has been re-submitted, but we haven't been assigned a contact yet. May be calling you later today!

Mar 26, 2012 12:42 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Better err on the side of caution, it's not worth risky livelihoods over something like a condo complex.  A good read Eric.

Mar 26, 2012 03:44 AM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Rob, Dominique and Carla: Thank you!

Lori: Sure thing! Give me a call. I work nationally :)

Mar 26, 2012 04:25 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Eric:  You give the perfect example as to why it's so very important to work with a lender that is educated and experienced in handling this type of situation.  Too many legal issues and monetary issues rest upon getting the right advice and assistance ...

Gene

Mar 26, 2012 05:03 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Eric, you have found yourself a great niche market! You have probably saved the person referenced from a law suit. Many people do not understand that complexes need to keep up with their certifications.

Mar 26, 2012 05:19 AM
Sandy Acevedo
951-290-8588 - Chino Hills, CA
RE/MAX Masters, Inland Empire Homes for Sale

Hi Eric, interesting situation that does not come up too often. Well done!               

Mar 26, 2012 06:21 AM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

I wish that AR would employ a button similar to that of the "Like" button on facebook.com.

Sadly, Sandy, I encountered almost the same question today by an investor that owned 80% of the units in a project and was renting a good deal of them.  He asked me if he could just create 10 legal entities and spread his units among those entities to reduce each entity's concentration in the project to under 10%!  Story upcoming...

Mar 26, 2012 07:44 AM
Anna "Banana" Kruchten
HomeSmart Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Eric we just ran across a condo that had been FHA approved for years - only to find out that it recently lost it's certification.   You are an honest guy and that will follow you around in a very good way.....well done.

Mar 26, 2012 08:05 AM
Anonymous
T. Manganelli

Eric, Came across your blog when searching for any news re the FHA changes for approval/recertification. Your article was very timely and relevant to our situation. Have you heard about any of the proposed changes? We are struggling with the Project Certification and its potential liability to the management company and board of directors.

 

 

Jul 24, 2012 04:48 AM
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