Affordable Health Care Act aka "Obamacare"

No Worries. I only know how it affected me and my family. There is a saying that any theory can be proven through enough research so both sides of any issue can claim they are right. I respect your opinion but it hasn't changed mine. Have a great weekend and lets get back to selling houses!

All those other mandates are good for the people that truly need them.  I concede that point. 

But for the vast majority of the people that already have health insurance, these mandates will most likely just force premiums to go up and up and up.  My premiums went up about 10% in 2011 and another 10% in 2012.  And my increases are apparently on the low end.  Not "affordable" at all.

If that is your answer to my points Karl, even you can't believe that.

The Constitution applies provision for three federal taxes - excise, direct and income (as an amendment).  Which is this?  The gubment does not collect it!  "Insurance" companies and businesses do!  Where is the provision for that?

NOW that provision exists.  The gubment can pass ANYTHING and call it a tax.  So with the newfound taxes, bankruptcies will hit 100%?  Gee, happy days... 

Read my stamp post.  Tell me how wrong I was.

The last paragraph was only written because Roberts guessed right.  Had he guessed the other way he would have been excoriated as an idiot.  And it isn't the court's job to be "statesmanlike."

So, if a future congress wants to pass a law, as a tax, that every household purchase Glock 17s, and there would be a fine if one isn't purchased, and if a household doesn't pay the fine they should be sent to jail - you are saying that you're happy that is constitutional?  And no different then, oh, a speeding ticket?  Let's see that one get by.  Lemmino!

I saw the Valor decision and think that it is just as patriotic to lie about that as it is to burn the flag indiscriminately.  Freedom of speech, you know.

Pap.

Sad day when anyone wants, thinks or needs the government to take care of anything. The government just proved that they can do anything they want but as for me I am sick of working and taking care of all the freeloading government people. If you can't take care of you and yours I am for putting your sorry ass to sleep and that is putiing nicely. I have been broke, out of work and all the lows that happen to people but I have never had food stamps, free government cheese nor ask anyone to feed me or my family. If you need someone to take care of you commit suicide and save us.

@ Charles - Nicely put (tongue firmly planted in cheek).  I thought one of basic tenants of the Affordable Care Act was to do exactly the opposite of what you just wrote "... I am sick of working and taking care of all the freeloading government people."  This Act would not only mean more folks with access to Insurance, but also more folks paying into that Insurance Pool.  Am I wrong?  Because as it currently stands, someone without insurance who goes to the ER ... who is flipping that bill?  As far as the Tax ramifications of this, it is an avoidable tax ... not a mandatory one.  This act promotes personal responsibility in that it basically is written to get people off their hump and do their due diligence to get insurance instead of having none and feeding off the system after the fact.  Will it be affordable?  Will the supply of Doctors meet a probably increased demand?  Is the analogy to mandating car insurance a fair one?  Will the preventive aspects make costs cheaper in the long run?  Will the quality of care still be at a high level?  All interesting questions.  Time shall tell.  The way I view it is the current system has a lot of LARGE issues and this is a step (albeit an imperfect one) in the right direction.

I love irony. “Obamacare” is modeled off of “Romneycare”.  As Governor of Massachusetts Romney created government mandated health insurance for every citizen of Massachusetts.

Romney declared that on his first day as President he would repeal “Obamacare.”  He may be a Mormon but he doesn't have a prayer.

The real problem is that the role of the Federal government is not to provide for us from cradle to grave. When the Constitution was being created, there were people without food, land, house, horse, education, etc. No where in the Constitution did it mention that the Federal government should provide for the people. The main purpose of the Federal government was to protect individual freedom.

The secondary problem is with health care as there are issues with the current system. As previously mentioned, people are getting denied or limited coverage when it is in the best interests of the companies providing the services. You also have the cost of healthcare increasing. I believe that we should look into solving these issues without putting a layer of federal government over it. Who knows, maybe it is because of federal government programs, regulations and mandates that is driving up the cost of health care??

By the way, analogies are never a sign of winning an argument because they do not necessary reflect the argument on hand. For example, in your analogy of the speeding ticket, it is more like getting a knock on your door by a police officer handing you a speeding ticket because you happen to own a car in your driveway that might one day go on the road and might speed.

Karl,

All idealogical differences asside, the problem as I see it is that in 236 years our government has yet to run any program that was both successful and run eficiently. Corruption and cronyism is so ingrained in every level of our government that I truly fear giving them control of our health.

How about the Military & the Postal System, Hugh.  They've done okay.

Jason Key word was efficient. Do you really want your health care delivered with the same efficiency as the mail and about to go bankrupt. I will not say anything negative about our armed forces but  some of the political decisions have been poor to say the least

Hugh - I'm not certain my health care (I work for a major insurance company) is delivered efficiently right now.  If I told you what I pay for it, who I work for and what is actually covered ... you'd probably be rather surprised. I believe the pro's of this bill outweigh the cons and as always, there is room for improvement.  Since the 1960's, the prospect of trying to put into motion some sort of Healthcare across the board as been tried and/or discussed.  Some have been successful (Romney in Mass) and most not (Clinton in his adminstration while trying to implement it Nationally).  Rumor is this was originally a Republican idea back in the day?  This Administration was successful.  The true litmus test is yet to be told. Time typically tells the ultimate truth.

As far as the mail and the military, more good than bad. 

It's bewildering to me how the Republicans, Fox News, Glen Beck, etc. have brainwashed the American people. Those of us with health insurance now pay for those who don't have it and go to emergency rooms for care. I'm sure we all know someone with a pre-existing condition, a sick child who can't have insurance if a parent loses a job, has exceeded lifetime limits on insurance, and so on. Why do people think these are bad things? Because Rush told them so. 

I spent hours researching my family insurance options and whatever I found is terrible. It is really expensive. And deductible and out of pocket are very high. For me new law is very frustrating.