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Long Term Rates Set Another Record...but where are the appraisals?

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Real Estate Appraiser with AmcAppraisalsinc.com

So is it just me, or does all the talk about a refi boom not seem to be translating to new appraisal requests?   I'd love to hear from appraisers as to how busy they are right now.

I recently read the article in today's headlines about historically low mortgage rates.  The article reported:

The Primary Mortgage Market Survey recorded the tenth consecutive week of mortgage rate declines and the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage (FRM) established yet another record low of 5.01 percent with 0.6 point compared to 5.10 percent with 0.7 point for the last week of 2008.

This establishes another benchmark low for the Freddie Mac survey which has been tracking interest rates since 1971.

The 15-year FRM dropped 21 basis points to 4.62 percent, the lowest rate since June 13, 2003 when the rate was 4.60 percent.  Fees and points both this week and last were 0.7 point.

Yet, my workload is still chuck full of REO and portfolio analysis.  Could it be that refis with the same company are not even requiring a new appraisal

Would the current lender figure "we already have this loan on the books and are liable for it....why not "refi" the customer to a lower rate and get some fees....but why would we need a new appraisal?  Have the values gone UP since our last one?"

Perhaps with all the talk of a refi boom - it is more of a boom for the lenders and not so much for the appraisers out here?

Make it a productive day

Richard_ferris

AUTHOR: Richard D Ferris - AmcAppraisalsinc.com 
Phone 877-789-5249 or email me: richard@amcappraisalsinc.com

 

 

Richard D. Ferris
AMCAppraisalsinc.com
richard@amcappraisalsinc.com

(877) 789-5249
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Residential Appraisals in Lake, Orange, Osceola, Polk, and Seminole Counties.

Also servicing Deltona, Deland, and Orange City in Volusia County. 

Florida State Certified Residential Appraiser #RD4088 

FHA Certified : Associate Member Appraisal Institute

Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

I believe by mid-week, you will see 10-20 rushes in your in-box... That is what's happening over here...

Do you think there's fallout because lenders made their own deadline of 1/1/09 to use AMCs?

Jan 10, 2009 04:13 AM
Richard D. Ferris
AmcAppraisalsinc.com - Clermont, FL
Florida State Certified (FHA) Appraiser

I would be very happy if we see 10-20 rushes in my mailbox!  I don't know about the self imposed AMC deadline - as I have not seen any increase from AMCs either in my area.  Just steady normal - but not BUSY like it was this time last year either. 

2008 was by far the worst year ever in my 15 years for volume....well..maybe 1997 was bad too.  But beyond that - 2009 can only get better (I hope!)

Jan 12, 2009 12:57 AM
Michael Zollo
Coral Springs, FL
Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida, FH

Sara, I'd be happy, with 10-20 in the first quarter of 2009.

Richard, I don't know about up in your area, but in South Florida with home values falling below 2004 levels, I don't think must people have any equity left in their homes, to refi. Also with today Global Economy, and the down turn in all markets, we are not seeing the off shore investing, that we once saw. The only sale I have been seeing, is Canadians bottom feeding on, low priced adult only condos. And all those deals have been cash, so no appraiser needed.

Jan 12, 2009 10:09 AM
James Graner
Residential Services: http://appraisalmo.com - Saint Charles, MO

Slammed, I got things coming from people that I have not talked to in a long time, that means my competition is busy as well. There are no appraisal waivers right now, except low LTV FHA loans so you should see it, if things are happening in your area.

In fairness much of my work came from one source, one LO hit me with ten appraisals within the past week, he was ready with willing customers and when the rate hit the mark, he hit locked his rates and hit me.

Jan 12, 2009 03:54 PM
Ed Walter
Ed Walter, Realtor-Appraiser - Safety Harbor, FL
St. Cert. Res. REA #RD1571

I have had 3 appraisal assignments since November and one of them was canceled. I got through the 1980 downturn but this one is killing me. Definitely no refi rush here in the Tampa Bay area of Florida unless I am out of the loop for some reason. Most of the lenders I've done business with over the past 32 years are either belly-up, writing loans out of the state, or have utilized a VMC. It's a lot like starting all over. 

Jan 13, 2009 02:48 AM
Michelle Tucci
LIRA Corp - East Islip, NY

Well, I am swamped.  December was a very busy month for us, and January is looking to be the same!  We have a lot of orders in the que...!  But, it is all relative....I feel super swamped considering that most of 2008 we had no volume at all! 

And as for the refi-boom....any homeowner here on Long Island who purchased from 2004 to now does not have the equity needed to refi, unless of course they put a large amount down.  But with rates this low...even people like myself with already low-rates (like 6%) are taking advantage...

So, to answer your original question - yes, we are busy!  Finally :)

Jan 13, 2009 07:14 AM
Richard D. Ferris
AmcAppraisalsinc.com - Clermont, FL
Florida State Certified (FHA) Appraiser

James and Michael, I am VERY happy to hear your volume is picking up!  Michael and Ed - I think Florida must have been left out of the refi "boom"!

I would bet that since many lenders are already upside down on what is owed versus what it's worth...they are refinancing homeowners without appraisals.  I would bet they figure they are already on the hook for the mortgage - so they might as well make some fees on a refi closing.

I did get a couple of new orders today - all from AMCs - and the rest is some continued forclosure work files. 

I would hope that FHA picks up soon as well - it is certainly the next "nothing down" product for our area.  I am noticing most new purchases are REO sales with new FHA financing. 

Jan 13, 2009 08:01 AM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Richard: The biggest problem we all have is establishing value. With declines everywhere, I cannot order an appraisal without establishing value. I was telling my appraiser today that comps. are the order of the day for now. It's an interesting market we live in; rates are low but a lot of refi's don't make sense.

Jan 13, 2009 08:34 AM
Richard D. Ferris
AmcAppraisalsinc.com - Clermont, FL
Florida State Certified (FHA) Appraiser

That is the catch 22 huh Paul?  You can't order an appraisal without establishing value, but you can't establish value without ordering an appraisal.

Now I know......you are talking about a "ball park" figure (i.e. "comp check") - and this is likely a topic for a whole other thread.  But an appraiser cannot establish a value without following the steps to complete an appraisal.  So it is a rock and a hard place.  That is, if you are talking with ethical appraisers who are doing their job right according to Federal laws.

One move I am making to try to meet the needs of mortgage professionals such as yourself, is to offer an analysis of the market from a software program.  My criteria would be - I can pull all of the sales for the last 5-10 years from the MLS within a 1 mile radius around the property.  Then, based solely on the assessor's data for the home, the program will give an analysis of the market - sort of like and AVM or Zillow.  It would give you a value range based on all of the history of sales.  You would need a true appraisal though, to weed through which sales are valid and applicable and which are not.  It is sort of a "mass appraisal" perspective - yet from MLS data rather than something like Zillow which pulls from assessor records only - and typically does not pull accurate geographical areas for comparison.

With something like this - it would be considered an "appraiser assisted AVM" - and would at least give you that "ball park" figure you need - without the appraiser having to do an hour's worth of research to build a desktop appraisal and workfile.  Would this be of interest to someone in your profession?

Paul - also tell me this.  From a broker/lender perspective - would you be willing to pay an appraiser to do market research ahead of time?  Say a fee to do a desk appraisal?  What kind of fee would you be willing to pay if the answer is yes?

If the appraiser will not do a "free comp check" for you - then where do you look to establish your value ahead of time?  Zillow, Cyberhomes.com or another appraiser? 

I am interested in your feedback.

Jan 13, 2009 09:14 AM
Michael Zollo
Coral Springs, FL
Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida, FH

Richard, Wow a great reply to Paul!!

Jan 13, 2009 09:26 AM
Anonymous
Truett Neathery

I talked to someone at my bank that does loans all over the country - she says it's hard to find borrowers with any equity.

Feb 25, 2009 06:20 AM
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