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Pre-drywall Inspection With A Problem

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I do a lot of pre-drywall inspections.  During new construction I only recommend two inspections - the pre-drywall and the final just before the walk through with the builder.  It is interesting the things I find on both inspections. 

The pre-drywall is particularly important because it is the only time to see the house while skeletal.  I am particularly interested in transference of loads, making sure that things are evenly distributed and that load-bearing structures rest on a proper platform or the steel beam intended.  Of course, there is a lot more to look at than that.  And I do!

 

 

This was a problem of a different kind. 

It is the dining room box window.

The roof over that box had not been finished.  This is not unusual. 

Sometimes the box or bay roofs get a different roofing material, like metal, that is not installed at the same time as the shingles.

What was unusual is that it was raining during this inspection, and that rain produced 5" in 36 hours!

Not surprisingly, this small roof leaked.

 

 

It leaked, dripped and splattered!

The builder is ready in the next little while to install the drywall.

We have siding underlayment, wood structure and insulation materials all wet.

If that moisture gets sealed in by drywall it becomes a conducive location for the development of mold or fungi.

What needs to happen?

Well, the roof needs to be finished!

The insulation should be removed, everything dried out and new insulation be re-installed.

Will the builder stall the schedule long enough to do that?

Hmmm.....  my client hopes so!  A Golden Rule builder would.

My recommendation:  I often see moldy areas during a pre-drywall inspection.  I certainly see areas that are wet and could become moldy areas!  All those problems should be mitigated prior to the installation of the drywall.  Any good builder would do that.  A builder wouldn't leave such problems should they build a home for themselves.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(31)

Kathryn Maguire
GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881 - Chesapeake, VA
Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach

Great photos and example of why a pre-drywall inspection is critical.  And given the amount of rain that we had this past week, I am not surprised that these sorts of issues might arise!

Oct 03, 2010 01:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, Michael, maybe you can grant them three wishes!?

Diane - I think they are super important.  Most of the realtors around here are conditioned to understand that!  Ten or twelve years ago I did NO pre-drywall inspections.

Tish - but they are so pretty and add so much to the interior of the house!  We have a bay in our dining room that has become a fine feature and fits a buffet perfectly.

 

That's the dining room bay just after I installed hardwood flooring last summer.

Yes, I did it myself.

You can read about the process on my blog here on AR - I think they're called Jay's Floor, and there are 8 of them.

 

 

Don - most of the subs don't speak enough English to understand that would be something called in an American football game!

Oct 03, 2010 01:33 AM
Ritu Desai 703-625-4949
Samson Properties - Chantilly, VA
Northern Virginia,Washington DC & Maryland Realtor

Jay, thanks for sharing and I hope buyers thinking about buying new construction read your message and follow through it.

Oct 03, 2010 01:33 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Ritu.  I do many pre-drywall inspections and find them very beneficial for clients.

Oct 03, 2010 01:34 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Yes, this step is super important.  If it's not done or not done properly, it can be extremely costly afterwards.  Amazing how much headache you can avoid if you do things in the right order and have check steps, esp from an objective observer.

Oct 03, 2010 01:37 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Tammy - you slipped in there and I almost didn't see you and Kathryn!  I actually say to people that the builders are mostly the same.  The differences lie in the supervisor on site every day and the subcontractors.

Kathryn - we had a bunch of rain here, but quickly, over a couple of days.  I heard that you guys on the coast got more than we did!

Oct 03, 2010 01:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Debbie - that inspection is also a time for the buyer to check things like cable and phone locations, whether the rooms have ceiling fans or not, and other such things I would not know about.

Oct 03, 2010 01:41 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Wish I could say I was surprised at the order in which the builder is scheduled to do the drywall, THEN finish the roof.  I have spent way too much money fixing leaky windows in a brand new home.  Why?  My windows were never flashed.  They weren't even done improperly.  They were just never done.

Oct 03, 2010 02:45 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Not surprising.  Unfortunately it is very common.  I had a house yesterday, Chris Ann, five years old, with rotten wood around and under every single window!   Um, gee, why?  You have seen those big, wide palladium windows over front doors no doubt.

This is what was under a corner of this house's front window.

Yes, that purple is wet.  Over 30%.  My device only goes to 30% because that indicates active moisture intrusion.

It's leaking from the window and the flat front porch roof! 

So, not only was the window not flashed properly, the roof wasn't either.

As I said, five years old!

 

Oct 03, 2010 02:55 AM
Damon Gettier
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert - Roanoke, VA
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE

As Lenn said, I think the pre-drywall inspection is one of the most important inspections and one of the inspections most often overlooked by home buyers.

Oct 03, 2010 03:30 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Damon - hopefully that paradigm is shifting (that's a term I learned about 75 years ago in MBA school...).  It does require a certain mindset.  I think the realization is coming.

Oct 03, 2010 03:33 AM
Barbara-Jo Roberts Berberi, MA, PSA, TRC - Greater Clearwater Florida Residential Real Estate Professional
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
Palm Harbor, Dunedin, Clearwater, Safety Harbor

Jay - Your posts are always so educational!!!

Oct 03, 2010 04:45 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Jay,

You know darn well that, had you not done the pre-drywall inspection, those moldy areas would have been sealed inside.

Oct 03, 2010 07:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Barbara-Jo.  Again...!

That's the idea isn't it?  And the whole purpose of AR.

Steve - fer sher.  The drywall guys are scheduled for whenever and it doesn't matter the condition of anything, they get paid by the square foot.

Oct 03, 2010 08:13 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

This is a great example of why cellulose insulation is far superior to fiberglass. If it gets wet it dries out and does not become conducive to mold.

Oct 03, 2010 12:22 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Jim - the attic is slated for cellulose, 14".  It would have been wiser to simply finish and flash the bay roof!

Oct 03, 2010 12:31 PM
Bruce Breedlove
Avalon Inspection Services - Colorado Springs, CO

A quick infrared scan of that location after drywall is installed will let the buyer know whether the wet insulation was removed.

Oct 03, 2010 02:10 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

I'd think that with a heavy rain, the builder would have been scrambling to get the tarps up. 

Oct 03, 2010 02:31 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

For sure Bruce, but the client shouldn't have to pay me to come back to see that if the builder says it was done.  I did offer.

Reuben - ha!  He didn't bother!

Oct 03, 2010 11:23 PM
Diane Williams
Pell City, AL

Jay, Excellent advice to anyone wanting to have a home built.  The problems that can arise from a home that has hidden defects is scary.

Oct 05, 2010 01:41 AM