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Local Banks vs. Mortgage Brokers

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Industry Observer with No longer practicing real estate as of 2008.

Maybe some mortgage professionals could share a bit of info with us?  My question is what is the difference between going directly to your local bank or using a Mortgage Broker?  I'm asking because someone I know is trying to refinance and the Mortgage Broker we have done a lot of business with couldn't seem do anything for her.  This is a Mortgage Broker that use to be able to get anyone a loan.  If there was a loan for someone, she could find it.  So it appeared as if this person wasn't going to be able to re-fi out of her ARM.  So she decided to check with her bank and the bank told her no problem, they could do it.

So why is it that Mortgage Brokers can't get loans that a bank is able to do?  Does it have to do with the Mortgage Broker?  Or is it just the issue of cutting out the middle man and going directly to the source to get what you want?  Don't Mortgage Brokers build relationships with local banks too, or no?

And if the banks are able to do loans that Mortgage Brokers can't seem to be able to do, then what does the future hold for Mortgage Brokers?  The guy at the bank seemed to think that eventually the Mortgage Brokers will be phased out and all the lending will be done again through local banks.  Anyone agree with this?

Anyhow.....if you're trying to re-fi and a Mortgage Broker told you they can't do anything for you, call your local bank!!

Comments(29)

Jefferson Otwell
Homestar Financial Corporation - Atlanta, GA

If you have a great personal relationship with a bank which lends its own money, it can conceivably cut a better deal than a broker can find on the wholesale market.  If you are an excellent borrower with a vanilla scenario you can sometimes get a better or comparable deal with a bank.  If you golf with the bank president or went to prom with the bank's loan officer, then you might get a better deal at the bank.

Otherwise you are pretty much better off with a broker who can shop the lenders and know the programs.  Even better would be a small lender (disclaimer:  guess what I am!) who can shop lenders and lend.  Very rare is the occasion when the average borrower can find a better deal from a bank.

Sep 05, 2007 01:51 PM
Doreen L Hargreaves
Fidelity Funding Mortgage Corp / Orlando Branch - Orlando, FL

Becky,

I am very surprised by your comment. Most mortgage brokers have acess to wholesale products that banks offer. There are portfolio product that banks offer but we also have acess to them. Our industry has undergone many product changes in the last few months and product and guidelines are changing frequently keeping us all on our toes. 

Doreen Hargreaves

Sep 05, 2007 02:09 PM
Anonymous
Michelle
I strongly believe that we are going back to the "old" way of doing things and that the banks are coming back into play.  Think about it, I just read what the Mortgage Brokers comments were, and I do not disagree with them.  However, they also go through banks, do they not? Fortunately for everyone, if one way doesn't work, there seems to be another.  Correct?  The Mortgage Broker's, I feel, did have more outlets available, but they have now dwindled down, as we all know.  The banks are truly coming back into play and obviously as commented previously, if you have a good banking realtionship, why not see what they can do for you?  I truly feel that Brokers are a great alternative for those who have "challenges" and respect what they do.
Sep 21, 2007 01:53 AM
#12
Becky Troutt
No longer practicing real estate as of 2008. - Bradenton, FL

As a follow up....she did get the loan closed through the Bank and it was closed in less than one week. 

I hope some of the people that are in a financial hardship think to call their bank if a Mortgage Broker tells them no, they can't do anything for them.  I would hate to think they miss out all together of being able to re-fi out of an ARM if they really can through another source, such as their local bank. 

I like many of you thought if a Mortgage Broker couldn't do it, a bank would more than likely say no too.  So, I also learned this isn't always the case.

As more and more banks take on more of the loans and Mortgage Brokers are able to do less and less.....as the last commenter stated, the banks will end up doing the majority.

I think some not-so-seasoned Mortgage Broker's need to be holding on to their britches tightly, as it looks to be like an awfully bumpy ride still ahead.

Sep 21, 2007 11:10 AM
Anonymous
Chris Mulder
Becky Troutt.  You should always try more sources if one tells you no.  Remember a broker is only as good as themselves.  Not all people have the same skill level.  Not all people have the same dedication to the profession.  Not all mortgage brokers have relationships with all the same banks (you have to be approved to do business which is a process)  

So in the end, not all brokers are considered equal...and not all LO's at banks are equal.  It comes down to the person working the deal.  

www.IEMortgageBlog.com
Sep 21, 2007 11:58 AM
#14
n d
Naoma Doriguzzi - Virginia Beach, VA

Becky I agree wholeheartly with Chris Mulder... it all depends on who is working the deal and how experienced they are with their programs. I work for a bank and my husband is a mortgage broker..so all in all I can't say one is better than the other because we  are both very busy.  But there are deals that would be better served with a broker and their are deals that are better served with a bank.  So we are each others best referral source.  I would try to find a solid banker and an experienced broker!  

 Just like not all realtors are created equal!  Glad to hear that she got her loan closed with the bank! :)  

Sep 22, 2007 09:46 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous
Interesting comments.  Bottom line....they are still going to get financing through the Banks.  Who they use to get there..............that is the questions.  Best Regards to all.  It will be an interesting journey the next couple of years.  We all need to stay informed and work together.
Sep 26, 2007 04:14 AM
#16
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Becky,

Good question. Without knowing all the details, I'd say that mortgage brokers still have more resources than any one bank. They can shop the whole array of choices and find the best fit for their customers whereas banks are limited to their own products.

Sep 26, 2007 04:00 PM
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator - Fort Myers, FL

Becky:

This story makes no sense.  The banks are restricted to GSE guidelines.  The mortgage brokers are not. Mortgage brokers can take a deal through the wholesale department of a large bank and get the loan approved where the retail side of the bank cannot get it approved.  Again, its a totally different set of guidelines.  The boy at the bank is misinformed about mortgage brokers going away.  If they did, the banks wouldn't have anyone to give their turndowns to.

Oct 17, 2007 11:05 AM
Katie Marchione
Community First Financial - Scottsdale, AZ
Community First Financial

Becky,

What probably happened is what happens ALL THE TIME!!  The bank, with little information, probably looked at her credit and told her that "sure they can do it".  Then when all the details come forth, they won't be able to.

Did she ever get the loan done through her bank?  Because I would bet dollars to donuts that it will fall through.

For your question, NO WAY do I think that mortgage brokers will disappear.  Bill is exactly right, where would all the turn downs go?

Not to "toot my own horn", but I blogged about this exact subject a few days ago. Brokers vs. Banks - Pick me first!

Oct 17, 2007 11:36 AM
Becky Troutt
No longer practicing real estate as of 2008. - Bradenton, FL

Yes Katie, if you read up to the last comment I left as an update, the loan was closed through the bank in about one week.

I still don't get it!!

Oct 17, 2007 03:32 PM
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator - Fort Myers, FL

Becky:

Many years ago, local banks had the "Gold Ole Boy Network."  This is where the board or committee sat down and discussed loan applicants once per week.  There weren't any real underwriting guidelines.

It went something like:

Banker A: Well Jed Jones wants a loan for the Ramsey's house.

Banker B: "Jed?  Isn't that ole George Jone's grandson?"

Banker A: Yes.

Banker B: George is a great man.  You know he donated the West Wing of the Washington school.

Banker A: Motion to approve the loan for Jed Jones.

Committee: Aye (in unison)

Banker A: George have Betty Sue set up the closing.

Of course, this sort of thing would never happen in Florida. No way.

 

 

 

Oct 18, 2007 12:40 AM
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator - Fort Myers, FL

Here is a thought.

What would you think If I were to tell you.....

"I know of a small shoe store that has 8 styles of shoes and limited sizes and you really should try it out because your big fat feet all covered in bunyans and calluses just might fit in a pair and oh by the way, forget about trying that new large shoe store down the street with thousands of shoes and all sizes because you probably wouldn't find the right fit".

The above is the Mortgage Broker V Banker argument.  For those who are reading this post and need further explanation of the above analogy.......The small shoe store is the bank.  The large shoe store is the mortgage broker.

Oct 18, 2007 12:51 AM
Katie Marchione
Community First Financial - Scottsdale, AZ
Community First Financial

Bill,

That's a GREAT analogy!!

Oct 18, 2007 04:46 AM
Katie Marchione
Community First Financial - Scottsdale, AZ
Community First Financial

Becky,

Wow, she did get it done?  I apologize I must have missed that post.  That's great for her, and I stand corrected! 

I wonder what the difference was....

 

Oct 18, 2007 05:03 AM
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator
» Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator - Fort Myers, FL

Katie:

Thanks for the compliment on the analogy. You have my permission to use it to educate. 

There are some pieces of the puzzle missing.  We aren't getting the whole story and Becky probably doesn't know either because of privacy issues.

Oct 18, 2007 06:41 AM
Katie Marchione
Community First Financial - Scottsdale, AZ
Community First Financial

Bill,

That's kind of what I'm thinking.  Something is definitely missing here.

Oct 18, 2007 08:10 AM
Anonymous
Steve Sega

 

I'm a first time home buyer looking for some advice. I have been approved through Bank of America for a home loan as well as a small local mortgage lending company. My question is if the interest rates are the exact same at this point in time which one would you go with?. The lender is telling me that he can shop my mortgage around to other banks until it is getting close to the closing to try and get me a better rate only it seems that his fees are higher.

Mar 04, 2008 08:49 AM
#27
Anonymous
In response to the First Time Home Buyer

I would stick with B of A if they have already approved you and let the other company know that if they can get a better rate that you would be willing to switch.  Bank of America is a solid bank and if rates are equal the only other determining factor is service.  Does this small local lending company have a history of good service?  Do you know them?  Have they ever helped you or anyone you know in the past get a mortgage loan?  How long as the local mortgage company been open in your community? 

Good service is enough to make me want to switch if all other things are equal which according to you they are.  A bank is only as good as the loan officer you are going through so really it depends on who the indivisual is. 

Chris Mulder

www.IEMortgageBlog.com

 

Mar 04, 2008 09:39 AM
#28
Brian DeYoung
also affiliated with Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Heritage Realty - Ithaca, NY
The Realtor with personal investment background

I am curious how everyone that commented on this in the past feels today. Mortgage Brokers and local bankers both have a role. In either case, i like local. The broker may use a non local bank, but i want the broker to be local. I fear and loathe on line Brokers. I want to see the lender. And, local banks will definitely do things for local people that a Broker wont. But, a Broker often has more options. They both have a place.

Sep 25, 2013 11:26 AM