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The McMansion Extra Value Package : Is it REALLY the Bank's Fault You Can't Afford Your Home Now?

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The McMansion Extra Value Package :  Is it REALLY the Bank's Fault You Can't Afford Your Home Now?

A few years into the turn of the millenium, the real estate market was hot!  Price were going up, up, up for homes.  Meanwhile the monthly price folks were paying was going down, down, down.  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?  But plenty of Buyers were lined up with their mortgage applications in hand, ready to take the low payment and associated "risk" of the interest only loans.  And of course, there would no hope of refinancing into a loan that actually took into account principal.  It would be another interest only loan when refi time came around.  But never worry, the market was going up, up, up. 

Buying a home on an interest only loan became the norm.  That's what moved the astronomically priced McMansions.  And it was the equivalent of buying a home on a credit card. And so people bought more than they could afford.  And now, when there are no refinancing options available to keep home owners in those McMansions with just interest payments, and they are actually having to qualifying for the interest AND PRINCIPAL payments, the public is going nuts. WHY?

We have become a society that lives on credit.  Just because someone extends you a line of credit doesn't mean you can afford everything you're buying with that credit.  Especially if you never actually make any movement toward PAYING for the ACTUAL ITEM.  If we live just paying the interest on things, this is a clue that we can't afford what we've actually purchased.

It's easy to blame banks for being greedy and making these interest only loans.   In the end, the consumer has no one to blame for that choice but themselves.  Would you blame McDonald's for making you fat after you drive through repeatedly and buy Big Macs?  Are you going to blame Macy's if you max out your credit line and can't afford to make the payments on the items you bought? 

We have to take responsibility for our actions.  And part of that is knowing what we CAN and CAN NOT afford.  A larger crisis than the housing crisis is looming if we can't get our CREDIT USAGE under control.  The housing crisis could be the tip of the iceberg. It's time to live within our means.  It may mean saying no to the latest and greatest gadget.  Not upgrading everytime a newer version of your phone is available.  Not buying a gas guzzling, expensive SUV or luxury car.  And more importantly, living in homes we can afford.

Comments(92)

Laura Higginbotham
Arizona Real Estate Options - Mesa, AZ
Broker/Real Estate Consultant, Mesa, Arizona Home

Big Macs don't make you fat. French fries and 32 oz Cola makes you fat.

:)

Jun 09, 2011 08:24 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Every one has some responsibility for this mess, including consumers and our buy now and pay later culture. 

Jun 09, 2011 08:29 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Laura:  I don't know about that, but I am terrified of any food (McDonald's French Fries) that can be under the front seat of my car for two years and still like exactly like it did the day I bought it at a drive-thru.

Gene:  Anyone who participated has skin in this game.  Whether you offered the loan, backed the loan, advertised the loan or signed the loan docs as the Buyer.

Jun 09, 2011 08:40 AM
Laura Higginbotham
Arizona Real Estate Options - Mesa, AZ
Broker/Real Estate Consultant, Mesa, Arizona Home
Outside Blog

It is sad to think there are still professionals out there who believe consumers caused the housing crisis. Legislation that allowed banks to AAA rate their own loans, govt agencies like Fannie and Freddie that jumped on the packaged loan bandwagon too offering junk loans, Wall Street and big banks with their hands in politicians back pocket the entire time. And yet still we blame the average America!?

There was so much that went wrong, but the least of which was a buyer who bought a bigger house than they really needed. Of course there are always going to be people who take advantage of an opportunity to make a buck (it happens always-even right now) . But the majority of those people who bought during the peak did so to better their circumstance or simply invest in their future. I had very savvy yet conservative investors buy and lose money over those years. All kinds of people lost money and/or are losing their homes.

It is a dangerous thing in our business to blame the consumer.  Personally I think we need to focus on our own government. They are STILL doing things that are destroying our financial future.  Ultimately we need to educate ourselves and protect our own finances because if I have learned anything from this crisis it is our govt will not protect our personal wealth.

Jun 09, 2011 08:45 AM
Anonymous
Erika Dragich, Brookstone Mortgage Corp- MN

Great post & commentary by all.  Stop the 'blame' game, don't accept the 'blame' game from those you work with, and be accountable for your actions.

I Wonder how much of the current crisis could be improved by homeowner's staying & continuing to make their required payments.  Yeah, you heard me right!  I have regular conversations with owners considering foreclosure/shortsale.  Just because you are underwater & owe more than the property is worth doesn't mean you have to walk away or do a short sale!  Lots of people are doing just that, even though they can easily afford their payment.

It's become popular to default...there's little negative stigma to being a 'dead beat' with your financial responsibilities.  when you invest in your 401K, no one promises you the funds will grow!  You could lose it all.  why don't people walk away from their 401Ks as the values start to decline?

This lack of integrity, honesty, and accountabilty is frightening!  I'm looking forward to stronger future for the real estate industry and look forward to accountability from industry professionals and our clients.  Conversations like this help us all understand the better how we got into our current position and how to avoid it in the future.

To your success!

 

Jun 09, 2011 09:05 AM
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Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Laura "There was so much that went wrong, but the least of which was a buyer who bought a bigger house than they really needed."  Buying bigger than you need, if you can afford it is not a problem. But if the consumer is not asked to take responsibility, then the crisis just moves to another sector.  Credit cards.  Then do we blame MasterCard and VISA?  We are bombarded day in and day out with marketing.  Ultimately, we can't consider ourselves victims.  Dr. Laura has a saying that I love.  "There are more volunteers in the world than there are victims."  Victims are people who didn't have a CHOICE.

Erika:  When it becomes commonplace to deflect the blame to the "system" you do see home owners ready to walk from a home they can still afford.  You nailed it with, "This lack of integrity, honesty, and accountabilty is frightening!"  Absolutely.

Jun 09, 2011 09:11 AM
Linda K. Mayer
License # 01767321 - La Verne, CA
Realtor, SRES, SoCAL, A REALTOR YOU CAN TRUST

Love this post... I'm sorry  but I didn't read all of the above comments, there are so many, so forgive me if I repeat.  I used to be Executive Director of a group called Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse.  So, did you know there were actually two girls who DID try to sue McDonalds because they got fat eatng the food?

And I think you got it right on the head:  we NEED to go back to the times when we actually TOOK responsibility for our actions honestly.  Now it seems like we all play the "blame game".

Jun 09, 2011 09:47 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Linda:  I don't see what's wrong with looking in the mirror on this one.  If you are a real estate agent, it seems it is utter blasphemy to look at the home owner and say, "You've got some blame in this game too.  It's not like someone stole your identity and took out a loan on your behalf fraudulently ."  I don't get it.  The more we throw the blame elsewhere, and continue to lobby for "easy credit" and so forth, we are furthering the problem.

Jun 09, 2011 10:06 AM
Justin Dibbs
Fairway Independent Mortgage - Ashburn, VA
Mortgage Advisor

As soon as I saw "McMansion" in the title, I knew you had to be a NoVA agent.  We sure had plenty of them spring up in Ashburn/Leesburg and beyond.

Jun 09, 2011 10:09 AM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure
Simple Question: Who had financial knowledge, the home buyer/owner or the bank (complete with analysts, economists, financial professionals, underwriters, appraisers, etc.)? There is no way the home buyer/owner is anywhere near 50% responsible.
Jun 09, 2011 10:15 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

I disagree completely. 

The home buyer is not the expert.  The members of the real estate industry are.  The agent, the loan officer, the lender, the government entity that established the lending guidelines and the underwriters who follow them are the experts.

If the consumer is such an expert, why do agent believe that they have to send the new buyer to a loan officer to get pre-qualified or pre-approved?  Why not just take their word for their ability to get a loan. 

HA! 

Jun 09, 2011 11:14 AM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Chris Ann, 

Excellent post.  We are all completely responsible for our own financial health.  Items can have an impact on this, such as home prices falling rapidly or dramatically.  However, way too many folks think it is ok to be very high in debt with no savings.  

I drive a 10 year old car.  I could have gotten a new one year 2 or 3.  I CHOSE not to, as I wanted to put money away and live well within my means.   Yes, my home value is down.  I have investment properties whose values are down.  Because I did not CHOSE to have a high debt value on them, we are good!  

I am off to buy a new car any day now, when I figure out which one I will enjoy for the NEXT 10 years.  Living well within your means is so critical and we are trying hard to teach our children that.  

(Just had a conversation with one of them about why they couldn't have an iPhone? - Does a young teen need a phone with a $45 data plan - that's $540 a year... in my family the answer is NO! - Ah, evil parent at it again!)

All the best, Michelle

Jun 09, 2011 12:11 PM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Justin:  Yep.  Our market is loaded with 'em.

Jim:  Can we agree they should have the same healthy skepticism they have when they make car purchases?  I think you're not giving home buyers enough credit (pardon the pun.)

Lenn:  No one said they were an expert.  Did you see that in my post?  No! I wasn't in real estate when I bought my McMansion.  And guess what?  I noodled through the very attractive offer of a reverse amortization loan with my husband (also not in real estate) and we came up with a 30 year fixed.  There was no way it ever made sense to us, though I would have moments when the hype...even from my agent...had me jazzed about it.  Keeping more of your own money sounds great!  But then you get to thinking....what happens IF....if the market falls, if I can't refi, if I lose my job, if, if, if.  That was me as a regular consumer.  You aren't giving consumers enough credit for having COMMON SENSE.

Michelle:  I'm guilty of buying a car every four years, but if I weren't in real estate, that wouldn't be the case.  I still have a winter purse from eleven years ago and a summer purse from five years ago.  I buy plain clothes so they never go out of style.  Seriously, you don't want to know how old some of my outfits, or shoes are, for that matter.  When we wipe the slate clean and make it somebody else's fault, we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.  Taking responsibilty means looking at where you went wrong and not doing it again. 

Jun 09, 2011 01:57 PM
Thomas McCombs
Century 21 HomeStar - Akron, OH

At the top of the bubble the perception was that the homebuyer was going to have to take the plunge and pay too much and borrow too much or risk being left behind.

Buyers made offers and lost the deal to a more aggessive bidder. After two or three of those they just threw up their hands and bid higher than they should have -- as it turned out.

After all, if things went badly the problem could always be solved by putting a for sale sign in the yard.

But it turned out that those who borrowed the maximum amounts they could get were the smart ones. When prices went down it was the banks that lost money thru the short sale or foreclosure process.

Those who put 30, 40, 50% down lost their own money! And those who had no mortgage at all lost the most. (Just because you did not have to sell does not mean you did not lose part of your net worth.)

Blame the recession. When someone loses his income he may not be able to afford his home.

Jun 09, 2011 04:08 PM
Steven Pahl
Keller Williams Tampa Properties - Tampa, FL
Real Estate Consultant Tampa, FL 813-319-6423

To some extent, we all share the blame and we all need to be involved in the solution.  Our fathers and grandfathers (mothers and grandmothers) did it after the great depression and so can we!

Jun 10, 2011 03:37 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Erica:  How do I know you would be so level headed on this one and not reactionary and blaming the banks alone?  :)

Thomas:  Lost their own money?  I disagree.  Those who had that much money to put down, like me, was usually because they had another property to sell that was also over-valued.  I've down the math on my sell and buy.  It works out to the same payment on today's values. I've lost a figure on paper.  I love my home and I can make my payment.  We need to grow up and realize that if you sold a house and make a killing and rolled into another, you didn't LOSE anything.

Steven:  If we exercise restraint and responsibility, we certainly can.

Jun 10, 2011 07:20 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Chris this is ironic in that I downloaded Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover a few weeks ago and just really began reading it yesterday.  Generational thinking keeps people hanging on to old ways of so called living and living on credit is one of those ways.

Far to0 many people who fell for the supposed benefits of the interest only loan really did not understand the concept itself.  Not only that, there are many people who thought they were getting a good deal just like Tni said.

I understand where you are coming from and I agree that those who knew better should have done better, but what about those who didn't and still don't know any better.  These people do exist.

Jun 12, 2011 09:42 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Charita:  I know they do and I when I run into them doing Short Sales, which I do often, I do my best to give them resources to learn how to better understand and manage money. 

Jun 12, 2011 10:21 AM
Matt Robinson
Professional Investors Guild - Pensacola, FL
www.professionalinvestorsguild.com

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!  It's so refreshing to have someone preaching personal responsibility again.  If we continue to blame Wall Street, banks, government, etc for our problems, then we have to rely on them for our solution as well.  We determine our destiny, and if we sow bad seed, we reap bad fruit. 

And yes, there are people even suing McDonald's for making them fat.  It's unbelievable!

Dec 15, 2011 05:29 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

Matt:  Personal responsibility is critical to your own success in life.  Taking responsibility for your failures is the only way we learn to succeed.

Dec 15, 2011 05:51 AM