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Zestimates/Shmestimates...Comparing Apples to Oranges

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Real Estate Agent with The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore

Zestimate/Shmestimate   Comparing Apples to Orangesbad penny



We’ve discussed this before, but it keeps coming back like a bad penny.

Much of suburban America is made up of subdivisions.  In these communities, which were generally built by a single developer, utilizing anywhere from one to a half dozen different models, there is a consistency of living spaces.  Some may have upgrades.  Others may have remodeled kitchens or baths.  Still others may be closer to parks, schools playgrounds or public transportation.

In this “subdivision environment”, and in other areas of homogeneous housing, the Zestimate provided by Zillow may have some level of validity.  However, it only works when comparing apples to apples.  This is because it utilizes only objective information in determining value.  This may include total square feet, lot size, number of bedrooms and baths etc.  If all other factors are equal, this allows for some level of comparison.

In the older suburbs of America, as well as in many urban areas, this type of housing does not exist.  The single family residences were developed by individual builders over years and even decades. Sometimes the older homes have been torn down and replaced by newer residences.  If the local zoning was enforced, hopefully there is some level of consistency in lot size.

In these areas, housing is a varied patchwork of style and age.

Of course, in these areas, the basic objective information plays some role in determining value...but generally the most important factors are the more subjective data which do not come into play via a computerized analysis.  This criteria may include location, age, upgrades (which may or may not be correctly noted in the property tax records), style, curb appeal etc.  

In Winnetka, Wilmette, Glencoe, Northfield and most of the North Shore area, the Zestimate will generally come in at a price that is significantly below the asking price and the genuinely correct market value.  Here we are comparing applesto oranges.

This is particularly the case for higher end properties and the reason is because there is a very large range of sales prices in the local market and the higher end properties are being comped to sales of lower end propertapplesies which share some but not many characteristics.  An example of this is a house on the lakefront (which is a super premium location) being comped to a house which abuts the railroad tracks, but is only four blocks away.  Often this is reflected in a Zestimate that is several hundred thousand dollars off base.

Frequently, we hear buyers say that they “really like the house, but wouldn’t consider paying anywhere near the asking price” after viewing the much lower "Zestimate".


We  embrace educated buyers.  We want them to have access to all the available information so they can make a well informed decision about value.....But please,do not include the Zestimate when assembling your buying information on Chicago’s North Shore.

 




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Susan and Howard Meyers

The Hudson Company

851 Spruce Street

Winnetka, Illinois  60093

847.778.1394

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Jamie Dumaine-Russell
RE/MAX Alliance - Branford, CT

I cringe when I hear a seller or a buyer mention the word Zillow. 

Aug 25, 2011 03:44 PM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Donna...we think that's a universal feeling among all of us in the business. 

Meanwhile, Zillow released their first quarterly earnings today since recently going public.  As a result, their stock price went up approximately 15%.  Go figure?

Aug 25, 2011 04:28 PM
Jim Frimmer
HomeSmart Realty West - San Diego, CA
Realtor & CDPE, Mission Valley specialist

Personally I think our legislators should do something constructive and pass a law shutting down Zillow. I guess that wouldn't be very democratic though.

Aug 29, 2011 03:42 PM
Kwee Huset
Kwee Huset Realty - Venice, FL
Venice Florida Homes For Sale

Howard & Susan,  check out Zillow.com before  a listing appointment.  Continued success!

Aug 29, 2011 04:33 PM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Jim...thanks for your comment.  In spite of our frustration with Zillow, we don't think the government should get involved in free speech issues just because we don't like what they are saying.  

Aug 30, 2011 12:50 AM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Kwee...thanks  for stopping by.

Aug 30, 2011 12:52 AM
Judy Greenberg
Compass - Long Grove, IL
Compass- Long Grove -Buffalo Grove

Amen!  Realtors  are always fighting a tough battle about price from the get go when buyers start quoting zillow!  

Sep 10, 2011 04:31 AM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

You're absolutely right Judy.  The problem is that it is not easy for many buyers to determine what the heck to believe.

Sep 10, 2011 03:26 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Zillow even has trouble in the cookie cutter neighborhoods, as Chris Ann said.

Sharon

Sep 16, 2011 01:22 PM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

I think the fact that Zillow named them Zestimates might tell us a little something about them:

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Sep 18, 2011 12:59 AM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Sharon...Since they're not going to go away, we need to figure out how to make lemonade from those Zillow lemons.

Sep 18, 2011 07:39 AM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Russel...seeing all of those "Z's" is making us tired.

Sep 18, 2011 07:46 AM
Lorrie Semler, REALTOR® in the Dallas area. Call/text 972-416-3417
HomeSmart Stars - Addison, TX
Real Service. Real Results. Real Estate

Zestimates are of no value in Texas since we are a non-disclosure state.

 

Sep 18, 2011 02:49 PM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Lorrie...apparently several  states (New Mexico, Montana, Utah and several others) are also non-disclosure. We were unfamiliar with this concept.

The positive is that you don't have to deal with Zestimates. 

Here is a link to a Zillow question about non-disclosure states:

http://www.zillow.com/blog/2006-05-11/chronicles-of-data-collection-ii-non-disclosure-states/

 

Sep 19, 2011 01:02 AM
Lorrie Semler, REALTOR® in the Dallas area. Call/text 972-416-3417
HomeSmart Stars - Addison, TX
Real Service. Real Results. Real Estate

Ah! But we DO have to deal with Zestimates because Zillow still creates them for Texas properties and the public looks for them.  The public doesn't know they are meaningless.

Sep 20, 2011 02:40 AM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Lorrie....We were looking for a silver lining.  Apparently there isn't one in regard to Zestimates.

Sep 21, 2011 12:04 AM
Don Sabinske
Don Sabinske, Sabinske & Associates Inc. - Zimmerman, MN
Sabinske & Associates Inc.

Amen.  And, I don't care that one of the former community builders now work for them, I still think that they do more harm than good with the public. 

The public is misinformed enough already that don't need, as Russel put it, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzestimates. 

Sep 23, 2011 03:09 PM
Mark Geis
Coldwell Banker, Mulleady, Inc. Realtors - Eagle River, WI

Great points and much appreciated!

Sep 23, 2011 03:11 PM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Don....I would take it a step further...they don't do any good.

Sep 23, 2011 03:28 PM
Howard and Susan Meyers
The Hudson Company Winnetka and North Shore - Winnetka, IL

Mark....Thanks for stopping by.

Sep 23, 2011 03:29 PM