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REOs: Are They Money Pits or Glory Holes?

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Real Estate Agent with Humphrey Home Connections Realty, Reno, Nevada

REOs: Money Pits or Glory Holes?

Abandoned Nevada MineMost of us in this day and age are familiar with the abbreviation "REO" for real estate owned, otherwise known as a bank-owned foreclosure property. The term is generally used (and specifically now by the Northern Nevada Regional Multiple Listing Service) to include all foreclosures, including those currently held by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD, which of course are not banks. Now I remember back in the day when these properties were called OREOs, "other" having been added to the moniker for some unknown reason hopefully more important than making a cutesy acronym.

And most of us, if not personally familiar with the description "money pit" have at least seen the movie by the same name. If not, use your imagination! On the other hand, those not from these-here parts (that would be Northern Nevada, pilgrim!) may be less familiar with the term "glory hole". Glory Hole was a term, and in some cases actual name, applied to certain ore mines, particularly those rich in minerals such as silver and gold; a site where one might, with luck, become fabulously wealthy. (Yes, I have indeed discovered that the term "glory hole" has been hijacked in recent times by pornographers, but that doesn't detract from its historical significance.)

So back to the subject at hand, for all of you that didn't immediately leave me to Google "glory hole" after that last observation. Which category might we expect an REO to fall into? The answer: BOTH!

On the one hand, the Money Pit. Picture yourself in the homeowners's shoes. The bank is banging on the door, demandingGlory Hole from btsiders the deed to your property. You know it is just a matter of time until they prevail. So, being as you're a bit short of cash (hence your circumstances), you decide to start putting whatever you have aside to begin anew after the inevitable. No maintenance to the property. No yard work. Nothing that requires investment on your part into a property you are gradually divorcing yourself from. Then, on the flight out the door as the sheriff's posse moseys down the street, you remove every item of conceivable value. Depending on your level of irritation and technical skill, that might include appliances, ceiling fans and light fixtures, perhaps the HVAC system or hot water heater; you get the picture. If you are really pissed off, you might knock a few holes in the wall, let your pets do their business all over the wall to wall carpeting, flush cement down the toilets, and so on. But even if you are the most earnest, well-meaning foreclosee on the planet,  and remarkably there are MANY of those, there is deferred maintenance with a capital D left behind. Yes, it may appear from a casual review of a comparative market analysis that the property is a "deal", but it had better be more than that. What crazed buyer would pay a below the market price only to slave away on fixer-uppering to end up paying the same amount they could have bought a pristine, no-special-conditions property for, not even including any value for their sweat and toil?  

Crowne-Bars from digitalmoneyworldBut ahhhh! We have all heard tell of the investor that struck gold...the proverbial glory hole of REO properties. The score on the courthouse steps that no one else recognized for the killer deal it was. The less killer, but still respectable, profit being made by those in the know. Yes, it IS out there. And there are plenty of foreclosures to go around. Interested? Call us!

 

Photo Credits: Abandoned Nevada Mine by RickC, Glory Hole by btsiders, Crowne-Bars by digitalmoneyworld. All from Flickr via Creative Commons license

 

 

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Rosemary Brooks
BMC Real Estate - 209-910-3706 - Stockton, CA
The Mother & Daughter Realty Team

I now see why you put this under "Bartender, Make it a double"!  Trying to explain the problem would make you need a drink!

Sep 03, 2011 06:13 PM
Rosalie Evans
Meritus Group Real Estate - Sioux Falls, SD
The Evans Group, Sioux Falls, SD Homes For Sale

Do people actually flush cement down the toilet?! Does the toilet actually suck it down??? Heck my crappy old toilet barely gets all the paper down let alone a rock!! I wonder if all of the 70's toilets were bad or if it's just mine?! I really need to replace that thing!!! Happy Labor Day!

Sep 03, 2011 07:11 PM
Daniel H. Fisher
www.FisherHermanRealty.com (704) 617-3544 - Charlotte, NC
MCRP - Charlotte Real Estate, NC or SC

We regularly help buyers purchase REO bank owned, short sale, relo, HUD, VA and other distressed properties.  A thorough home investigation and pest inspection will turn up most of the major problems.   A seller paid home warranty will cover those things that we not known at the time of purchase. 

Sep 04, 2011 01:31 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

The courthouse steps is where the real deals are made.  After all, those are the buyers taking HUGE risk.  The property condition may be completely unknown.  The status of various liens on the property may also be unknown.  There's a reason for deal. There's risk involved.

Sep 04, 2011 04:08 AM
Linda Humphrey
Humphrey Home Connections Realty, Reno, Nevada - Reno, NV
CRS, Broker/Owner HHC Realty

Rosemary - Very true! But then I'm always glad for an excuse for happy hour! :-)

Rosalie - Now let me say first that I have never actually personally tried this...so it is just speculation on my part...but I assume that it is just powder when they pour it in, then it turns into a rock down in the plumbing system somewhere expensive to fix. I don't think any toilet, even a good one, would flush down a cement block! We have a real push for low flow toilets here...the new ones are pretty good, but the first generation ones you had to flush several times...nice water savings there, lol! Happy Labor Day to you too!

Daniel - You are absolutely correct! I never discourage my buyers from looking at them, but I think some buyers get so caught up in the mystique of foreclosure = screaming deal that that is all they want to see, and many of them just are not one. Just because you find the problems with an inspection doesn't necessarily make it reasonable to buy the house and pay the money to fix them all only to end up having spent the exact same amount you could have bought a nice, well-kept, comparable nonforclosure for with any repairs paid for and completed by the seller. Don't know about where you are, but here many REO asset managers are reluctant to fix anything, they just stipulate cash only or no FHA. The trick is to find the ones where the discount goes beyond the potential repair costs, hopefully before you even make the offer much less put money into an inspection. That is where an experienced investor may have an advantage over say a first-time homebuyer.

Sep 04, 2011 04:19 AM
Linda Humphrey
Humphrey Home Connections Realty, Reno, Nevada - Reno, NV
CRS, Broker/Owner HHC Realty

Chris Ann - Bingo! Exactly correct! The investors that are making money in my market (note I didn't say "fortunes", no late night TV guru here) are doing just that. It is a lot of work to track down all the liens, but much more doable now than in the old days where one had to sift through records at the County Recorder. Here at least it is all online, but still time-consuming to read each one. Further, since only about 40% of our short sales are actually closing escrow, it is occasionally possible to see the property before the foreclosure sale. Of course, the damage could be done the night before the sale. Most of the successful investors I know do a ton of due diligence, at least making sure the property isn't occupied, trying to see in the windows if possible, maybe talking to the neighbors, etc. But those that work this segment of the market have to be prepared for the odd catastrophe and have a lot of padding in their bids.

Sep 04, 2011 04:27 AM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

Sadly, the untold story is the misery which the lenders put good homeowners through to drive them to the point of destruction.  There is no help when one initially realizes they need it, only after they are 3 months or more past due which means their credit has been destroyed.  Then there are the endless requests for paperwork which has already been submitted several times but lost by the lender.  And finally the homeowner loses their once proud possession - their home.  Gone are the days of the initial financial collapse when foreclosures were blamed on bad loans made to poor credit risks.  Today's foreclosure victims have generally struggled to make payments on properties worth less than the mortgage values.  More empathy toward the foreclosed homeowner would eliminate much of the property abuse at foreclosure which, I believe should and should generally be avoided.

Sep 04, 2011 05:44 AM
Linda Humphrey
Humphrey Home Connections Realty, Reno, Nevada - Reno, NV
CRS, Broker/Owner HHC Realty

Richard - You make an important point here. We are WAY beyond the foreclosures of properties where the loans were subprime. All of us have been sucked into the vortex of the carnage that remains, and are now prisoners in our homes and rental properties, myself included, most of which are underwater in my neck of the woods. The sequence of events that led to this state of affairs absolutely infuriates me. This is an important issue that warrants its own discussion, but a bit tangential to my topic. I do feel very sorry for those homeowners and I understand their anger and frustration. On the other hand, I have to live in the real world; although I am a CDPE I have chosen not to be a short sale specialist and there is nothing I can do to help those folks, or change the banks' capricious and often incomprehensible behavior. If they have given up and moved, or their short sale has not been successful, then the property will be foreclosed and someone will be buying it. That someone is often one of my clients. They need to go into these deals with their eyes wide open and their homework done. Our so-called shadow inventory (homes in some stage of the foreclosure process) is scary huge...and our market will not recover until those properties are cleared out.

Sep 04, 2011 06:30 AM
Tni LeBlanc, RealtorĀ®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

There are some killer deals out there... but there are far too many money pits.

Having grown up in a money pit, and almost dying of laughter watching the movie the Money Pit, I am wary of some of these foreclosures.

Nov 13, 2011 12:44 PM