Eric Recktenwald - I agree with everything you said in your comment. As real estate agents we do add value to the transaction through our expertise and often reduce carrying costs. In turn this often will pay for and sometimes even exceed the commission on the sale of the home. Plus there are intangibles such as reduced stress and liability reduction.
Jill Murty - yes it is always imporant to convey information acurately and in context. That's my basic point here.
Troy Erickson - yes, there are lots of little things agents (mis)use to lure clients. Sometimes interntionally (really bad), and sometimes unintentionally (they need more education or understanding). Either way it can lead to a poor reputation of real estate agents.
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - It is important to know your local market and local numbers. It amazes me when I hear local agents quote national numbers because of some internet article (or even worse a print article which is several weeks old when they finally read it) and those national numbers don't correlate with local numbers because the local market has shifted or is not following that trend. All the more reason to use a LOCAL expert!
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
Kat Palmiotti - yes, what are the questions and data streams behind the numbers. I love it at election time when one candidate is up 2% in the polls and the poll has a 4% margin of error and the up candidate's people rejoice... um your person could be losing based on the margin of error. I do the same thing with Zestimates and their accuracy rating, kills the Zillow questions immediately.
Diana Dahlberg - Yup, it's all about them achieving their goal in the end - and that's were we come in. We are not super heros, we are more like coaches who help our players (buyers or sellers) achieve what they want in the end (to buy or sell a home). We can't tell them exactly how it will happen, at exactly what price, but we can give outside guidance and often get them to achieve and sometimes exceed their goals.
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
A good reminder that correlations are indicative of cause and effect.
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
Richard Bazinet /MBA - To defend your devil's advocate points... I did not say NAR published lies, I said some agents sometimes come to invalid conclusions and state them as fact. An agent can't make the conclusion that Realtors will make you $40k+ on a $200k home based on the NAR facts that average agent assisted homes sell, on average for $40k+ than a FSBO.
Local data will always trump larger scale (national) data. My MLS says on average across the MLS coverage area prices are up about 8% this year - a fact I don't disagree with, but when I talk to an owner in a specific area of town and run the numbers on his neighborhood, or even on similar homes throughout the MLS the numbers aren't as rosy - most recently about a 1.5% increase where this specific seller lives.
A competent agent is what I want all agents to be. I want each of us to know our craft well and be better agents. The better we all are, the more the general public will trust us and reflects better on the industry.
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Joe Kerouac
Madison, NJ
I realize that statistics are important, but it certainly is important to know where, why, how, when, by whom, and for whom they were collected. There is also often a lot of personal and emotional factors involved on all sides. When statistics are taken out of context, they sometimes aren't very trustworthy. I've helped my share of FSBO's when they hadn't succeeded in selling on their own. I've also sold my share of real estate in the past 36 years. I just try my best to use what variety of resources, experience, and knowledge I have and put them together honestly, ethically, and to the best of my ability in the transactions in which I've been involved.
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
The problem here is we do not know if we are comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges. This house may be run down, no upgrades, messy, no backyard to speak of and then the house down the street that sold for $46,000 more may be 'turnkey' and well maintained by the owners with remodeled kitchen and bathrooms and beautiful yard with trees and patio. But on the other hand it might be a beautiful home and then they did sell it way too cheap. Some owners just think they know as much or more than us and until they get sued for failure to disclose and then they are sorry for the 200k legal fees. Very good post and I am sure NAR is keeping track of the majority of sales accurately.
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
Dear Michael,
If you have one foot in ice water & the other in hot water, you are on average comfortable, right? Great post!
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Thomas McCombs
Akron, OH
Statistics are certainly useful for looking at trends, but it's pretty hard to draw any firm conclusions, and implying a fact when you are dealing with a trend is a mistake.
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Thomas McCombs
Akron, OH
This statistic has always bothered me personally, as it's very misleading. How do we know that the FSBO homes just weren't lower priced homes in general. The only way to correlate is by comparing FSBO sales in specific neighborhoods with agent-assisted sales for comparable homes.
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Thomas McCombs
Akron, OH
Read Freakenomics by Levitt and Dubner. Correlation of facts come from places you may not see right away.
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Joe Kerouac
Madison, NJ
Nina Hollander it's not the statistic that is troublesome, it's the conclusion some make from the statistic and misusing the information. I think you're correct that more FSBOs are potentially lower priced homes any way therefore the average is lower, all the more reason the conclusions some make from those numbers are erroneous.
Jeff Dowler CRS - exactly, statistics can show trends, they don't provide exact answers. Past behavior is not a guarantee of future occurrences.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
Figures don't lie, but liars figure, is what my history teacher used to say. I agree there are factors in those numbers unrelated to how the home was sold. But if that number is not right what number would it be?
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Gene Riemenschneider
Brentwood, CA
Like they always say, anyone can use statistics to make or break anyones theory. Great look at how this is used to mislead folks.
Mark Twain made this quote famous: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics." Any questions?
This is a great post. So many times folks don't always understand what they are saying when they say it. It just sounds good or something they heard somewhere before.
John DL Arendsen Thanks for the encouraging words. Yes sometimes people don't realize what they are saying and they can really set themselves uip for failure - or at least egg on their face when their promises don't come true.
Good morning Michael. very interesting and largely, if not completely, true too.
Sheila Anderson - Thanks Sheila, I can't tell you how many times I've heard this said or in print. When I saw it the last time it prompted this post.
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Sheila Anderson
East Brunswick, NJ
I think Active Rain has done a great job in bringing out the best potential in all of their members blogs like this one.
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Glen Allen, VA
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