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A Nameless Faceless Lender From Somewhere Across the Country May Not Be Able to Get That House to Closing for You

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with M & M Realty of Brevard Inc. BK629999

This week a client was referred to me that wants to buy a house.  Shop for a lender before buying a house

During our initial phone conversation, one of the first things I always ask is whether they have a lender and are pre approved for a loan. 

He indicated that he did have a lender, that he found online. (Uh-oh).  And, that he was preapproved. The Brevard County Real Estate market is considered a distressed market.  It is so important for a buyer to have a local lender and a local appraiser that understands our market.  

My next question was whether or not he had received a Good Faith Estimate from the lender.  He had not. (Uh-oh #2). Every buyer should be provided with a Good Faith Estimate when being Preapproved for a loan.  This gives the buyer an estimate of his closing expenses and prepaid expenses.  It will also provide an estimate of his monthly mortgage payment amount and his anticipated interest rate.

The buyer gave me his lender's long distance and toll free phone numbers (uh-oh #3) as I always talk to the lender at the beginning of a transaction, before we head out to look at any houses.

I called to get more info from his lender. I called 3 times in 2 days (uh-oh#4) with no response.  His voice message said, "I will return your call in the order in which it was received."  (uh-oh #5).

I have to know what type of loan he will be financing the house with, so I know what type of home he can buy. I finally found that this buyer is purchasing with an FHA mortgage, with a 3 1/2% down payment. So, he won't be able to purchase a home that requires extensive repairs. The roof has to be "newer" and so does the air conditioning system.  There typically can't be broken windows. The house must have heat and a stove and it typically cannot be in some phase of remodeling.  If this buyer was getting a conventional loan with 20% down he would be able to look at completely different properties, as there would not be many restrictions on what he could buy.  In paying cash, a buyer could purchase any home he wants.

When I was talked to the lender, I received the Good Faith Estimate (as did the buyer).  My teeth nearly fell out of my mouth, when I looked at the figures. (uh-oh #6). The fees were some of the highest I had ever seen. The interest rate was too high, the estimate was full of unnecessary junk fees.  I couldn't believe my eyes!

I recommended this buyer get additional estimates from LOCAL lenders to compare fees.  I know that he can do much better than what he was quoted. 

In this market, as Patricia Kennedy pointed out, in a recent post she wrote, not only is it important to come in with a strong offer to purchase a house, but, listing agents also look at the pre approval letter with the lender info to determine whether they will accept the offer.

If a buyer winds up in a multiple offer situation, which many buyers here in the under $125K price range do, the best offer is going to be choosen based on which one has the best chance of getting to closing. Here in our market the listing agent often times wants a local, reputable lender, that knows the market, that has a processing center right here in town. They know if they tell us, upfront, that they can do the deal, then they can do it. They want the smoothest transaction possible, that won't get snagged or delayed. They don't want any surprises.

In our market, a nameless faceless lender, with exorbinant fees and a long distance or toll free number, that doesn't return phone calls, from somewhere across the country, is not going to help your offer along, to get you the house that you want to buy. 

If your offer is accepted, will they be able to get you to closing?

All lenders are NOT alike. And, all online lenders are NOT alike.

Get a couple of estimates and talk to a couple of lenders.

Be sure you do your homework BEFORE you head out the door to look at houses. 

FOOTNOTE: I later found out, after the buyer talked to a local lender, that he is self employed. The buyer indicated that he had not discussed his employment situation, nor the fact that he had recently opened a new business during his interview with the online lender. So, now, I am waiting to hear whether this buyer will be able to buy a house at all!

Sandy Shores REALTOR®, Melbourne/Palm Bay FL Real Estate

Brevard County Real Estate & Investing

I also buy, sell, rent, own and manage Investment Property.

Mark Watterson
Salt Lake City, UT
Utah Real Estate

I agree with your post. 

I see no reason to use out of area LO's. 

I also see no reason why LO's can't disclosure their fee on GFE up front.  Even if they aren't legally required until a property if found. 

Sep 27, 2009 02:41 AM
Gary and Shannon Kiernan
Dominion Real Estate Partners - Cave Creek, AZ
Cave Creek Arizona Real Estate Blog

But even when your clients use a big name bank, a lot of their documentation goes out-of-state to corporate headquarters and the processor there, that have NO IDEA of states rules and regs.  Every lender has hurdles to jump. 

Sep 27, 2009 03:22 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Just a couple points for clarification ... I would wish to point out that there is a difference between a lender's quote obtained through an online source (such as those on Zillow, Trulia, etc.)  ... and a loan officer that maintains an online presence and provides one-on-one services and guidance through a variety of methods after communicating with an individual. 

Although many L.O.s have an online presence, business, and reputation, they do NOT participate in the practice of offering quotes on major real estate sites.  I personally am one of these and will not take part in those site's opportunities.  Why?  For the very reasons many have expressed concerns regarding this practice.  I just don't have the faith that I am obtaining enough information in this manner to make a quality, credible, and reliable quote for a customer ... and have expressed this sentiment in one of my earlier blogs and in many comments here on AR.   

I do however, offer my services online and can/will (very capably) represent and service a home buyer/owner almost anywhere in the nation.  I personally believe that it is fair to say that most lenders do the bulk of their communications with customers and referral partners, in this day and age, through technology and the old-fashioned face-to-face communication occur more and more rarely.  To infer just because you are located in the same town that this is not the case, is probably a little misleading. 

I will agree however ... special attentions and efforts may be necessary for the officer to perform his services well when conducted over longer distances.  But without a doubt ... special attention and efforts are called for in most local transactions anymore as well.  Hardly any transaction is presently closed easily.  

No matter if a lender under consideration is located close by or far away ... those in search for a lender have important homework to do regarding that decision.  Their decision should be based upon fact and the qualifications and reputations of the lenders they are comparing ... not generalizations.    

Sep 27, 2009 05:14 AM
#81
Anonymous
Anonymous

Hi Sandy. I agree with you totally regarding the "on-line' lenders. How about this scenario that happened to me a few months back? The on 'line lender" that my first-time buyer  thought he would use,(QUIC*EN loans) told my buyer that he also had to use their in house Realtor to write up the offer to get the super deal that he was offering. Essentially, knocking me out of the saddle. This, after he knew that my buyer was using me as a Realtor. This also happened to be my listing that we were making an offer on,and a short-sale,to complicate matters.

Needless to say, I counseled the buyer, and told him this was unethical..what the lender was telling him he must do , and that I didn't care to work with the lender, and neither should he. If it's stinks at the beginning..it stinks the whole way through! Happy ending..I set him up with a terrific local lender, and we close next week.

I should have blogged about this :)

Sep 27, 2009 05:56 AM
#82
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Yikes, that's scary but it happens all the time. Glad that you verified this and sent him in the right direction.  I had an offer on one of my listings the other day and the prequal letter was $20,000 under the list price?  What's that all about?  He shouldn't have been in the house anyway I figure in  my book.

Sep 27, 2009 05:59 AM
Linda George, Real Estate Broker/Owner
Morningstar Properties - Fort Pierce, FL
St Lucie County FL Real Estate,Waterfront, Acreage

Hey..that was me #83 with the response. Forgot to log in!

Sorry..

Linda George,Re/Max Connection

Sep 27, 2009 06:00 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

You're talking my language. 

Local, known, experienced, responsibe and trusted loan officers needed.

Otherwise, you might be rolling the dice.  You just simply do not know.

 

Sep 27, 2009 10:30 AM
Antonio M. Cardenas Broker Associate
RE eBroker Group - San Leandro, CA. - San Leandro, CA
"The Realtors In Motion"

Good Post Sandy, we all have been there, where the buyer shows up already "prequalified" and if we assume his letter is legit, we could be in a lot of trouble, asking questions about the lender is not as easy we we think, there is that "privacy" part we must be aware of. As a listing agent I will always check with the lender before I suggest to the seller that this particular buyer is qualified.

 

Antonio

Sep 27, 2009 12:36 PM
Kristy Baker
Century 21 Act III Realty - Johnson City, TN

Sandy I feel your pain. Just last week I had a deal fall apart on one of my listings because the buyer went with an internet lender. My sellers decided to take a chance even though I couldn't get in touch with the loan officer to verify the pre-approval(big uh-oh). 20 days into contract and no one, even the buyer's agent, can't get anyone to tell us what is going on with the loan. 2 days before closing, the buyer's agent gets lucky and the LO actually answers the phone only to tell him that 'oh we can't close this one for this buyer'. Don't know when they were planning on telling anyone including the buyer. That is why I hate getting those pre-approval letters from online brokers because it's never a good experience.

Sep 28, 2009 12:50 AM
Lee Walsh
SecurityNational Mortgage - Lake Mary, FL
Executive Talent Scout for Mortgage Professionals

I have never understood why someone would work with an unknown - faceless - long distance - voice, in some unknown place to secure one of the biggest financial commitments of their lives.

The good news (not for the out of state telemarketing loan arranger) is that with the roll out of the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System (NMLS) their days are numbered.

Florida is one of the last states in the country to join the mandatory licensing and registration system. 

Currently in our sunshine state any out of state mortgage company with a correspondent lenders license (no warehouse line), or above, can turn unlicensed loan officers loose on borrowers because their license allows their loan officer to originate with out being licensed. The new rule will require all loan officers - broker, and lender to  be licensed in each state that they originate.  Starting Jan.1, 2010 Florida starts migrating ever to NMLS rules.

Sep 28, 2009 01:13 AM
Amy Jones
Amy Jones Photo - Mandeville, LA
(licensed in LA)

Another Great post Sandy! Buyers do not always understand how important a good lender is to a sucessful transaction. I believe it is even more important with the new lending regulations. A local lender used to be able to step in and save the deal quickly. I may direct some of my new buyers to this post. Sometimes I think the buyers think there is some kind of financial benefit to the Realtor if they use a recommended lender. The only benefit is a smooth transaction. Thanks~ Amy Jones

Sep 28, 2009 02:11 AM
Jason Burkholder
Weichert, Realtors - Welcome Home - Lancaster, PA
Associate Broker, Realtor, e-Pro, CMS

Absolutely 100% on target!  Only someone with a local reputation to protect has a vested interest in a successful, bump free closing. 

Sep 28, 2009 03:21 AM
Randy Garrett
Capital Mortgage Services Inc. - Atlanta, GA

Sandy,  Excellent blog.  I am a mortgage broker in ATL, GA.  I will share with you that I get distressed agent calls nearly weekly about their buyer who is using an unscrupulous lender and the agent recognizes the "uh oh's" along the way.  They beg me to advise them on how to get this "lender" to deliver as promised because the buyer wouldn't or won't switch the lender or not enough time in the timeline left to do so.  To hear buyers being involved with such originators infuriates me to no end - not sure if i'm more frustrated with the unscrupulous (or negligent) originator or the buyer at this point.  The buyer's approach is that mortgages are simply a commodity - shop it like a car, tv, pc,...  Hey, this is what the media tells them.  Unfortuantely, it is usually too late when the buyer comes to the realization that they will not receive what they thought.  Do these stories always relate to out-of-town lenders?  No, but I beleive the very high majority of them do.  It's simple...  the situation of being  miles apart, not knowing the state specific laws & fees sets up the transaction environment as one such where the lender can "pull" anything he/she wants to from across the miles, at any time, and never has to face anyone or talk to anyone, ever about their actions.  It's fact, the "internet lender" does not rely on referrals to grow its business (I didn't say out-of-state lender, i said "internet lender" here).  They rely on the next blind buyer searching thru on-line search engines - they are plentiful and they know it.  Every lender knows that when a buyer is sitting at the clsg table, the majority do not have the option to postpone their clsg if fees, rates, etc., don't agree as originally promised.  Don't buyers ever wonder why majority of the surprises show up at "the table"? Why then, do buyers choose to play in a sandbox where knowing going into it, that it is possible that there are snakes hidden within?  My Gosh buyers!, work within an environement that cuts down these risks.  (I am in GA and i still close loans in Florida & Alabama but i don't market these states.  I only do mortgages for those agent's clients whom i have a working relationship with and came as referrals.) 

The bottom line, as we all know, is the success of the transaction comes down to the individual loan originator they are dealing with (whether that be local, out-of-state or "internet").  Is the originator simply an "order taker" or are they a true professional in the business?  You'll find with "order-takers" your deals can more likely fall apart once it gets to underwriting where they decline the loan because that's where they first become aware the buyer became self-employed just 6 monthws ago - ouch!.  Buyer loses out hundreds of $'s in appraisal, inspection, etc., fees already spent.  A true professional would have assessed this entirely in the pre-approval and declined them upfront.  Have they integrity?  That's a tough one but a little research, asking around, trusted referral sources and then just simply interviewing the originator will tell one lots.  Unortuantely, as long we live in a greedy world (buyer & originator both) there will always be foxes lieing in wait in sheepskin. 

The real agent job is not an easy one.  Selling your buyer on using a trusted referral mortgage person is turning out to be one of the hardest sells in this internet age.  It becomes very easy once the problem arises but then it's too late.  Don't give up...

Sep 28, 2009 04:00 AM
Mark Velasco
West Shores Realty - Whittier, CA
Top Producing Broker Associate

Great Blog Sandy. Online is great, however, sometimes (as you proved) this is not always the case.

Sep 28, 2009 01:43 PM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

Not many people appreciate the signs that we put in the front yard of many of our listings that says  "this house comes with a mortgage so that you can buy it".  That is until their lender fails to wire the funds at closing and our Gold Services Mortgage Partner needs to step in and close the loan in 3 days (used to be same day or within 1 day, but now because of the new TIL guidelines, it has been moved to a minimum of three days to close with new APR disclosures).

Buyer verification is a necessary thing these days.  We try to get our listing clients to appreciate that we will pre-approve all buyers ourselves - even if they have a pre-approval letter.  This gives our sellers assurance that we will be able to close the loan if the other lender doesn't come through.  This differentiating factor is becoming more and more apparent these days.

We think that it's just another way of delivering value to our clients. 

 

Sep 29, 2009 02:09 AM
Kerry Jenkins
Prime Properties - Crestline, CA

It is so difficult to use an out of area, much less out of state or online lender.  If I don't have the lenders cell phone number to call them as a last resort, then I don't want them representing my buyer's loan.  I have a local lender that I prefer who has got all of the loans I have give him to closing and he tells me what's going on every step of the way.  He lives up here too, so I know he knows the properties and the area.

Sep 29, 2009 09:16 AM
Sandy Shores FL Realtor®, Melbourne Real Estate
M & M Realty of Brevard Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Brevard County Real Estate, Florida's Space Coast

I love the responses that have come in on this post.  I have read each and every one of them and I appreciate and respect all the different view points. It's always great to write a post and see what other agents, lenders, etc., are experiencing across the country.  It's help me do my job better when I am able to see different points of view. Thanks for all the great comments.

Sep 30, 2009 06:03 AM
Kathy Opatka
RE/MAX CROSSROADS - Ocean City, MD
Serving Ocean City, MD, & The Delaware Beaches

Sandy,

I sell in a resort town.  I dread it when I hear a Buyer say " I already have a Lender ( who is ALWAYS not local!)". It will be our worst nightmare!  And it ALWAYS gets down to the day before settlement ,when some ISSUE raises it's ugly head! 

 Please use LOCALS,who know how to get the job done!

Kathy Opatka

Oct 15, 2009 03:48 AM
Sandy Shores FL Realtor®, Melbourne Real Estate
M & M Realty of Brevard Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Brevard County Real Estate, Florida's Space Coast

Kathy, We do have to be so careful if buyers indicate that they want to use an internet or out of town lender. It makes for an incredibly difficult transaction, if it even goes at all.

Oct 15, 2009 05:17 AM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

That's good advice Sandy. Sandy Shores. That's a great name for real estate!

Oct 29, 2009 03:58 PM