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One GREEN Misconception Put To Rest!

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Real Estate Agent with thredUP.com

Solar PanelsAnd if I have anything to do with it, many more to come.  On Active Rain I posted Why are GREEN Homes so slow to catch on? and now I will let you in on a little secret...

I know the answer!  Actually, I did when I posted it. I have been running an on-line poll on one website to see what the common misconceptions were of GREEN Building and why one would build GREEN.

The main one that came up was "Solar Panels are just to expensive and they take too long to get your money out of them."

But is there truth to that?  If you went completely Solar on your house..Maybe. But what if you just chose ONE item to go Solar with?  The two things in your that take the most Utility Usage is probably:

  1. Heat and A/C
  2. Water Heater

What I am about to share with you may blow your socks off, so please, take a seat.

I am going to go over the cost of going Solar for JUST your Water Heater.  If you made a commitment to go Solar for Hot Water- Would this be counter-productive?  I will let you make your own conclusion.  I am going to use my home as an example. 

First, anyone can use this tool.  It is a website called Find Solar.  This site has most states (sorry, I didn't count) and most major Utility Providers. You are still sitting down right?

My home needs the Hot Water for 3-4 people, I do have an Electric Hot Water Heater, and my Utility Provider was not on the list but I used a company that has the same KwH cost as mine. 

This site will tell you:

  • Approximate Cost of going Solar
  • How much you will save
  • How much your property value will rise-Yes, you heard me right.
  • How long it will take you to recuperate your costs

My on-line poll brought up the discussion that many people believe it will take 20 years to get your costs back.  Below, you will see what it would take for me to go Solar and how it would benefit me.  Or you if you chose to.

 

 
Building Type:Residential
State & County:TX - Harris
Utility: TXU Energy Retail Co LP
Utility Type:Power Marketer
Assumed Electric Rate:
To recalculate, enter a value and press "enter" on your keyboard -
$/kWh
Tiered Rates Apply:
No
Time-of-Use Metering Offered:No
ESTIMATED SYSTEM SIZE 
Solar Rating:Good
(5 kWh/sq-m/day)
Solar Collector Size:1 collector = 32.3 sq-ft (3 sq-m)
ESTIMATED SYSTEM COST   
This is only an estimate based upon many assumptions. Installation costs can vary considerably. We strongly encourage you to work with a Solar Pro who can provide you with a more detailed cost estimate. We estimate a solar water heating system, with the collector size as shown above, will cost between $2,800 and $4,200. This estimate assumes the mid-point of this cost range. 
Assumed Installation Cost:
(before rebates, incentives or tax credits). See the Cost Notes, below.
You may override the displayed cost assumption: To recalculate, enter a value for assumed installation cost and press "enter" on your keyboard.
$
This is a user-entered cost
Expected TXU Energy Retail Co LP Utility Rebate:
($ 0 )
Expected TX State Rebate:

State incentive does not apply to this utility
($ 0 )
TX State Tax Credit/Deduction: ($ 0 )
Federal Tax Credit:
(Installation type: Residential )
($ 1,050 )
Income Tax on Tax Credit:$ 0
YOUR ESTIMATED NET COST:$ 2,450
Monthly Payment (6.5% apr, 15 years):$ 21
SAVINGS & BENEFITSReplacing Electricity
This is only an estimate based upon many assumptions. The actual utility energy saved can vary considerably. We strongly encourage you to work with a Solar Pro who can provide you with a more detailed estimate. We estimate the collector size (as estimated above), using the numerous assumptions (as listed below) will produce between 1,863 kWh and 2,795 kWh per year. This estimate assumes the mid-point of this range. 
Energy produced by a Solar Water heater:2,329 kWh/Year
Electricity saved by Solar Water heating:2,329 kWh/Year
Increase in Property Value:$3,795
Exempt from Property Tax:YES
Accelerated (5 yr) Depreciation:
(Installation type: Residential )
No
First-year Utility Savings:
Since this is not a business application, these savings are in after tax dollars. So, your realized savings may actually be higher!
$253
Average Monthly Utility Savings:
(over 15-year expected life of system)
$29 Assumed Utility
Inflation Rate

%
To recalculate, enter a value and press "enter" on your keyboard
Average Annual Utility Savings:
(over 15-year expected life of system)
$345
15-year Utility Savings:$5,172
Return on Investment (ROI):
(with Solar system cost set as asset value)
440%
Return on Investment (ROI):
(with Property value appreciation set as asset cost)
284%
Years to Break even:
(Includes property value appreciation)
< 1 years
Years to Break even:
(Without property value appreciation)
4 years
Greenhouse Gas (CO2) Saved:
over 15-year system life
29.0 tons
(58,000 auto miles)
 
 

***Compliments of FindSolar.com***

So, keep in mind that this is an estimate, and again, this is JUST for Hot Water.  What do you think about these numbers? 

I found this to be quite fascinating.  I would talk more about this but I think the numbers speak for themselves.  Not including Property Value Appreciation it would take 4 years to break even. Also, you would get nearly 1/3 of the cost back in a Federal Tax Credit. 

This is just an estimate.  But think about it.  Does the cost of going GREEN seem too much still?  Over 15 years you could save enough Greenhouse Gas to drive your car 58,000 miles.  Also, you would reap the benefit of lower utility bills. 

If you have any questions, I will answer them if I can.  As far as how accurate this site is....if you do one of these charts it will tell you what costs would vary. Mine said it might be the installation costs, but they felt it was an average number for One Solar Panel.  Hope you have fun with this site, I know I did!

Comments(16)

Christopher & Bernadette Hurley
Go Hurley Group - Sugar Land, TX

Wow, that is actually pretty cool. I read your other green posts and all of them just blow me away. The steps that we can take are just amazing. Sadly, no one does take these steps.
"The ozone layer that protects our planet really doesn't matter anyway, right?"

One day it will change. Today, we can only scream and yell about what we can do, and what no one is doing.

Sugar Land, Tx
Where Life is Sweet
  

Jun 20, 2007 12:32 PM
Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP
Hi Christopher and Bernadette, It IS cool!  One day....One day, more will understand.  Just trying to do my part in educating.  I am glad that you are taking interest in all of it.
Jun 20, 2007 12:35 PM
Ann Cummings
RE/MAX Shoreline - NH and Maine - Portsmouth, NH
Portsmouth NH Real Estate Preferrable Agent

Stephanie - this is some great info in this post.  I'm off to see how it 'pencils out' for me!

Thanks for sharing!
Ann

Jun 20, 2007 12:37 PM
Leigh Brown
Leigh Brown & Associates, RE/MAX Executive - Charlotte, NC
CEO, Dream Maker - Charlotte, NC
This will be a fun one to experiment with-thanks! Have you installed anything solar at your personal home yet?
Jun 20, 2007 12:41 PM
Dena Stevens
Rocky Mountain Realty - Canon City, CO
Putting The Real Into Realtor Since 2004
You knocked that one otta the park! Good job. One of the things you and I learned when getting our Ecobroker Cert. was hit them in the pocket book. Most people will pay attention to energy saving ideas and green ideas if there is a direct benefit to them. For many people benefit = $$$.
Jun 20, 2007 12:48 PM
Cyndee Haydon
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
727-710-8035 Clearwater, Beach Short Sales Luxury Condos &Homes
Stephanie - you are my Queen of Green - you are teaching me so much..thanks for all this great info!!!
Jun 20, 2007 12:49 PM
Christina Lackey
Coldwell Banker Prime Properties - North Syracuse, NY
Syracuse Central New York Real Estate
I'm definitely going to check this out some time.  I happen to live in one of the cloudiest cities in America, so I wonder how that will come back for me.  As always, thanks for the green... I mean great... well, both... information!
Jun 20, 2007 01:05 PM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Such detail and you sure have come a long way in your writing and informing the public about the pertinent things that they can do to not only save money but REALLY help the environment...A WooHoo for you Steph!

Jun 20, 2007 01:08 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services
Stephanie - this is exactly the type of tool that consumers need to see how the investment will yeild a good return.  They see the upfront cost -- and have no idea what the return will be.  Even though the solar indicator is barely "good" in NH (long winters here) there was still a return over a 10-15 year period -- unfortunately, the state has no tax credits --
Jun 20, 2007 01:13 PM
ASHEVILLE REALTY REFERRAL RESOURCE 828-776-0779
REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK - Asheville, NC
CONTACT janeAnne365@gmail.com

Steph~

 I really like the way you took a point of interest and showed how the "green-thing" can work ...Do you have a sense that the demand for energy efficient solutions will reduce costs...and in the near future?

 This post offers the kind of information that supports the process.

Jun 20, 2007 01:21 PM
Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP

Hi Ann, let us know how it works out! 

Hi Leigh, unfortunately it is against deed restrictions in my neighborhood to have solar.  Next home, most likely. I will be moving this year anyhow.

Hi Dena, you like that?  :)  I thought it was phenomenal!  I am trying to show the financial benefits of GREEN.  We'll see how it works out.

Hi Cyndee, Thanks for the awesome compliment!  I am so glad that you are finding this interesting.

Hi Christina, let me know what it says.  I would be extremely interested. Houston was in the top 10 of most smog. Sad.

Jun 20, 2007 01:47 PM
Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP

Thanks Sally!  Hope I can help educate the masses. :)

Hi Joan, I completely agree. By the way, the Tax Credit is at the Federal Level, not State.  Texas does not offer a separate credit either.

Hi JaneAnne, I think there is a lot of educating to do still.  Many of the energy topics are political and once we get over the initial costs that the Government and Providers would endure...we will be good.  Just my opinion.  :)  As far as the public,  I think it's coming around.  I believe the '08 Election will bring out a lot of GREEN topics and also help make it top of mind to many people. 

Anything we can do NOW to help overcome misconceptions of GREEN is an amazing venture.

Jun 20, 2007 01:53 PM
Ana Connell
G & C Properties - Burbank, CA
Burbank Real Estate Agent
Stephanie this is great info, my husband and I have been wanting to go solar and I love these options!
Jun 20, 2007 04:15 PM
Jeff R. Geoghan
Coldwell Banker Realty - Lancaster, PA
REALTOR, Marketing Manager
FindSolar was an early portal for information - one of the web pioneers!  You should contact them and do an email interview with the principal...The cost of photovoltaic panels has gone way, way up due to the shortage of silicon.  Makes the ROI pretty rough.  I really like solar hot water, though - great post Stephanie!
Jun 21, 2007 03:54 AM
Michael Eisenberg
eXp Realty - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham Real Estate Guy
Great post .......... I wonder what the payback would be here in Washington State where we get a lot a gray days. Seems like a natural for the sunny states
Jun 21, 2007 06:43 AM
Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP

Hi Ana, That's awesome!  When you do make sure you take pictures and share. :)

Hi Jeff, I am supposed to have a meeting over the phone with the LEED builder in Houston and I am going to ask him some questions about cost specific to Houston.  I'll let you all know what I find out.

Hi Michael, If you pencil it out on FindSolar, let us know.

Jun 21, 2007 03:53 PM