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By
Home Inspector with BC Warner Inspections

A recent conversation with an experienced real estate agent has me seeing red.  No I'm not looking at a hot spot through my thermal imager either (although it might reveal steam pouring out my ears).

The conversation started innocently with a phone call from this agent. He is the listing agent of a home I recently inspected for my client.  The agent wanted to know if I had heard from my client (unrepresented) regarding the inspection and his decision.  I informed the agent that I had not heard from the client.  The agent's next question was "what was your clients general impression or inclination after the inspection?"  I politely reminded the agent that my duty was to perform a confidential inspection for my paying client and provide an unbiased report for him. I have no knowledge of my clients purchase decisions. I then recommended the agent consult with my client personally if he feels that client has not responded in a timely manner.

This is where it gets steamy... The agent then informed me that he "needed a copy of the report regardless of the outcome in order to provide the report to other potential buyers."

My jaw dropped. I thought I misunderstood this agent, so I repeated his statement. The agent acknowledged and said "YES... I NEED THE REPORT TO PROVIDE TO OTHER POTENTIAL BUYERS!" I was shaking my head still in disbelief.  I thought I had heard a lot in my years as an inspector, but this took things to a new level.

I began explaining to this agent that this practice was first and foremost theft from both my paying client and from my business. Second, I explained that this report was a CONFIDENTIAL document between my business and my client. The agent then fired back a statement that this was "THE LAW". I repeated to him "It's the law that you provided a confidential document to other 3rd party buyers to make a purchase decision off of?"  The agent shouted yes, told me to look it up, and that he didn't have time to argue these finer points.  He abruptly hung up on me.

This office has been in business since 1971. I find it simply amazing they have legally made it this long. I won't go into the ethical and moral opinions I have of this office now.

I took the agent's advice and consulted with numerous professionals and experts in the real estate field. Two of them were real estate attorneys and one of those teaches real estate law at the same college I am a faculty member of.  I found the answer (for which I knew all along).

This agent doesn't understand the liability he places on himself as well as my business for providing confidential documents to other non-paying buyers of the same home. Let alone the theft of services he is actively participating in from my business. Now he is giving a false sense of security to other buyers to rely on an out-of-date report for an ever changing structure condition.  I'm just scratching the surface here...  I know that a ruling in California now allows 3rd party buyers to sue (and win) against the original inspector even though the buyer was not a part of the inspection documents and agreements (not the inspector's client).  I can only imagine now that a similar scenario created that pandora's box.

While it's true that inspectors are often deemed an enemy to the sale... I encourage all of you to truly learn more about the key role an inspector plays for your clients and understand the real estate and disclosure laws as they pertain to your state and locality.  It's quite obvious this "seasoned" agent needs more than a brush-up.

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Deborah Byron Leffler BzyBee Real Estate Lady!
Keller Williams Realty Boise - Nampa, ID

Very interesting...I have never known to be able to get an inspection from a previous "potential buyer"   we may ask...but the buyer has to agree...and the inspector has to agree...and there are so many caveats that it is usually just easier to do a new inspection! 

Mar 18, 2010 04:36 AM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Bill, good blog.  Realtors know better, or they should.  It is importand for every new home buyer to have an inspection and not the one that someone else had done.  Thanks for posting this.

Mar 18, 2010 07:51 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Thanks Deborah.

Not only is it easier, but it is also wiser on behalf of both the new buyer and their agent to have their own separate evaluations performed.  Compents can fail, appliances can malfunction, and leaks can occur in between times of contracts and inspections... and sometimes even within hours of the initial inspection. I'm not saying that home inspections aren't thorough, but they cannot and should not be relied upon to provide accurate information beyond the time of the actual inspection. Providing an older inspection report which the new buyer was not a party of is not having your client's best interest at hand.

Mar 18, 2010 08:06 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Thank you Jack.

I agree, this particular real estate agent should know better indeed. Inspections are confidential and become property of the paying client and the inspector. No one else period.  Portions of the report applicable to requested repairs or concessions may be provided to the seller as part of the inspection addendum, but this does not give the right of the listing agent to provide this information to other parties to base a purchase decision off of. It should not be even considered part of the disclosure.

Mar 18, 2010 08:11 AM
Dennis Chamberlain
Eastern WA Home Inspections, LLC - Moses Lake, WA
Eastern WA Home Inspections

This Is amazing that an agent would ask for that. The Cal ruling brings up another issue, what about pre-listing reports, are they saying these reports will carry the liability over to the buyer? This would be a Pandora's box. I hope that thought does not spread, the inspection is for the client and and liability should be to them only. Keep those reports confidential!

Mar 20, 2010 04:09 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Yes Dennis, this practice certainly opens up liability for everyone involved. I am not the cheapest inspector in my area, but even my fees will come nowhere near covering liabilty for this.

Mar 23, 2010 02:28 PM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike

I think that the agent was thinking of disclosure and was too dumb to understand the difference.

Mar 24, 2010 01:35 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Perhaps Mike.  Scary nonetheless for such a statement from a "seasoned" agent.

Mar 24, 2010 04:19 AM
Ian Niquette
Square One Home Inspection - Markesan, WI

Just had the same conversation last week Bill. Buyer walked and somehow his real estate agent actually sold my report to the next buyer, who in turn called me to go over some items in the report. I politely told him I would be happy to perform a home inspection for him, but he said he didn't need one, he just had some questions, sorry mister. Then I called the agent and we had a nice lengthy discussion about this very same topic. I don't think he understood even at the end of our conversation, it is flat out dishonest in my opinion. 

Mar 25, 2010 09:54 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Not your opinion at all Ian.  This is flat out deceptive, fraudulent, and theft of services.  It's akin to me selling your vehicle to someone else, taking their money, and then telling them to contact you to arrange a time to pick it up.  Oh... and by the way, you were wanting to get rid of your vehicle weren't you?  :(

I would probably go so far as to inform the unsuspecting user of your report that they are now in possesion of stolen intellectual property and now subject to legal action along with the perpetrator who sold them the copy.  See how that sits with the involved parties... I would also contact your original client and inform them of this new-found knowledge and what hass occurred.  See what they have to say about their hard earned money paying for someone else's benefit and purchase decision.

This practice is WRONG!  It needs to stop and actions taken against the agents who actively participate!

Mar 25, 2010 12:39 PM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

Interesting the agent would even call you.  He should be calling the other agent or the buyer.

Mar 28, 2010 02:43 PM
Mike Gillingham
Eastern Iowa Inspection Services LLC - Walker, IA

Wow! What big coconuts this guy has.

Apr 06, 2010 09:04 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Gene:

That was in our conversation as well.

 

Mike:

I'm afraid this is a far greater occurrence than we like to think.  Many uninformed agents in this area feel the inspection report(s) convey with the property similar to appliances and light bulbs.  Simply not true and quite frankly illegal.  This is causing me to reconsider stronger words than simply "confidential document, use by third parties is strictly prohibited..."

Apr 07, 2010 11:55 PM
MC2 Home Inspections
MC2 Home Inspections LLC - Indianapolis, IN
Indianapolis home inspection service 317-605-3432

No surprise here, this happens to us here in Indy all the time. I am quite sure the agent knew you couldn't do what he was demanding. It seems to me that the dishonest ones are always asking for things they know is wrong or against state law, they just want to see if you will do it or not, because some mis-informed inspectors will believe it or not.

Good for you for standing your ground!

May 26, 2010 12:32 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Isn't that the truth MC2

 

There are many good agents around us and here at AR but the dishonest ones sure leave a bad taste in your mouth when you come across them.

Jun 23, 2010 08:26 AM
Jason Channell
Diadem Property Inspections - Serving Southeast Michigan - Troy, MI
The House Sleuth

Bill, first off, I have to say that you have one of the best profile pics on ActiveRain.

I am sure the vast majority of agents wouldn't try to pull something like this, so it must really leave an awful feeling in the gut when someone pulls a such a stunt.

Aug 26, 2010 03:05 AM
Bill Warner
BC Warner Inspections - Dayton, OH
Infrared Thermal Inspector

Thank you Jason.

It certainly leaves a bad taste...

Aug 26, 2010 05:00 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Sadly, that attitude is very wide spread. I had a guy tell me once that "What you do is find out if there was a buyer before you and get their inspection, usually at half the price or even free." He wasn't an agent he was the new buyer.

He just thought it was the smart thing to do. He wasn't a kid. He was a middle aged man of low ethical standards who felt entitled to any breaks he could get. If anything goes wrong, he'll also be the first to sue anybody in sight.

He doesn't think of himself as a cheat or a thief, but hey, the shoe fits.

Jan 31, 2011 04:17 PM