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SHORT SALES, How to Have Your Cake and Eat It Too.

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Real Estate Sales Representative with Elite Agents 625409

When is a short sale Pending?  The lender is not a principal and does not sign the contract.  The seller negotiates with the buyer through their agent in good faith and then submits the offer to their lender for 3rd party approval.  The process is longer and more difficult to complete as we all know in today's market. 

Let's take a vote.  How many of you think?...

1. The property should be marked as Sale Pending subject to 3rd party approval and all subsequent offers are back up offers?

2. The property should be left in the Active Contingent on 3rd party approval allowing the listing firm to continue to market the property for offers that could bump out the accepted offer?

Of course all property is still for sale until the close of escrow but if you accept an offer on an open market transaction you place all subsequent offers in back up position.  Argument from Short Sale listing agents is that there are extenuating circumstances, but aren't there contingencies on home inspection, appraisal, loans, etc on every transaction that is marked Pending?  Perhaps we should eliminate the Pending category and keep all properties under contract as Active Contingent until all conditions of the contract are met no matter if it is an open market transaction, short sale, or foreclosure. Would that level the playing field?

The consumers are confused and so are the agents.  The open market seller does not want to compete for a buyer with the short sale seller who already has an offer, the buyers can not determine what is actually under contract vs what is actually for sale, and the agents are all trying to shoot ducks in a barrel.  There is no consistency in how the sales are reported from one area to another.  I listen to both arguments in my MLS daily. 

What do you think?

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Sandra Paulow
Aspen Properties, Inc. - Pinetop Lakeside, AZ
REALTOR, Associate Broker, GRI, SFR

Arizona's Short Sale Addendum to the Purchase Contract states that the Seller can continue to accept offers until one is accepted by the Seller's Lender.  Escrow isn't opened until we have a signed Bank Agreement on one of the offers.  Then we have to notify other buyer's agents of the results. The listing remains active until the agreement is reached and a note is made in the remarks so other agents know there is at least one offer on the table and their offers will be submitted for consideration.  I do think occassionally the banks will only look at one offer at a time but for the most part we keep submitting offers until one is acceptable to the Seller's lender.

Jun 23, 2010 12:13 PM
CJ Johnson
Elite Agents - San Antonio, TX
Sales & Building Consultant

Look at the difference between just the last two comments from Jackie and Sandra to see why there is confusion.  Why would a buyer wait around only to be bumped out by another offer or worse waiting for the short sale to be denied.  In the end it is the seller who decides but we are talking here about how agents handle the situation differently from area to area and there seem to be many differences of opinion.  A wise broker taught me "everyone has opinions except REALTORS, they have several" 

Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

We are required to put any sale that has earnest money and signed by the seller to be marked pending in the MLS. I have it looks like with the help of others successfully gotten the MLS to put in a new category for pending with lender approval.

Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM
Wendy Rulnick
Rulnick Realty, Inc. - Destin, FL
"It's Wendy... It's Sold!"

CJ :  #1 is the choice. Otherwise, get multiple offers, buyers bailing, banks confused and more make-work.

Jun 23, 2010 01:40 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Thanks for the post, very informative for sure!

Patricia/Seacoast NH

Jun 23, 2010 02:02 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Thanks for the post, very informative for sure!

Patricia/Seacoast NH

Jun 23, 2010 02:02 PM
Gregory Bain
Mezzina Real Estate & Insurance - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
For Homes on the Jersey Shore

You have identified the problem that has been going on for the past three years. Good Luck getting these "short sale" specialists the local boards and the MLS to correct it.

Jun 23, 2010 02:24 PM
Oscar Garcia
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - San Diego, CA
San Diego Homes & Condos

In our county it is customary to keep the listing as contingent.  Fortunately, in California we have a Short Sale Addendum (CAR form SS) that if used correctly can protect buyers and sellers.

Jun 23, 2010 02:27 PM
Cameron Wilson
Labrum Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
The Short Guy - Murrieta,Temecula,Menifee Californ

The property should be put in Pending status as soon as the buyer and seller sign the agreement as they are the principals to the transaction and third party approval is just another contingency. Agents who keep sending offers to the bank simply don't know what they are doing as the bank is not the seller.

Jun 23, 2010 03:00 PM
Michael J. O'Connor
Diamond Ridge Realty - Corona, CA
Eastvale - 951-847-4883

I have a list of short-sale listing agents that I'd like to put in that barrel full of ducks that you're shooting.  Offers are presented to the home SELLER and then the ACCEPTED offer is forwarded to the bank and the status is then either pending (or in our market an alternative is BACKUP).

Jun 23, 2010 04:22 PM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

Once the buyer and home owner sign the contract it is pending in Indiana and the third party approval is a contingency.  EMD is paid upon an executed contract.  It is soooo simple!

Jun 23, 2010 04:40 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

I put it in back up as soon as we accept an offer.  We then take back up offers.

Jun 23, 2010 05:49 PM
Laurie C. Bailey-Gates
Robert Paul Properties - Barnstable, MA
ABR, SFR

I agree - where I live, agents don't mark the accepted short sale offer as pending or u/c with contingencies unitl after the offer is approved by the lender.

 

This drives the buyers crazy.

 

Jun 23, 2010 10:40 PM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

I am seeing some agents use the Multiple Counter offer form when buyer submits offer to keep the property on Active by the seller not executing the multiple counter offer form unless buyer puts up earnest money to show that they are serious.

Jun 24, 2010 01:50 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

In San Diego, the MLS added a new category before pending called Contingent. This is a category for REOs and Short Sales--when they have been submitted to the bank and are waiting for approval. Once approved, they become 'pending.' I think it is a great idea, and it has worked really well.

Jun 24, 2010 01:56 AM
CJ Johnson
Elite Agents - San Antonio, TX
Sales & Building Consultant

Michael:  Sometimes it is their difference of opinion on the rules and other time it is simply their marketing strategy to get more buyers which is what I think should be stopped

Evelyn:  If it were sooo simple we would not have sooo many different responses seen here.

Gregory:  Yup that was why I wanted us all to discuss this issue.  I don't see an end to this as the Short Sale Seminars are still filling up while all the others are barely attended in many Associations.

Jun 24, 2010 02:35 AM
Jeanne Dufort
Coldwell Banker Lake Country - Madison, GA
Madison and Lake Oconee GA

So... to take this a step further.

If you present a backup offer to the bank that nets the bank more than the original offer - and the bank as a result requires the higher net proceeds, then what is the process?

Does the original buyer have the right to increase his offer, before you move on to the backup, who has already confirmed a higher net to the bank?

Jun 24, 2010 04:20 AM
Anonymous
Jon Clark

The importance of marketing for more buyers is an advantage for the seller more so than the listing agent, in my opinion.  We currently close 90% of our short sales, however we lose about 65% of our first contracts on short sale listings, as that the buyer usually walks.  Continuing to market home ensures that we'll have back up offers if/when a buyer walks, so that we keep the ball moving during the process. 

If the public or agents are confused about the process of short sales, it's because of education, not the process.

>> Jeanne Dufort >> IMHO- it's best to only submit one offer to the bank. If first offer is lower and bank counters at higher price, original buyer has option to raise price or you can go to a back up offer. If you submit an offer at a higher price and buyer walks, in a declining market you may never get that price again. Seller ends up in foreclosure.

In Success!

Jon Clark, Keller Williams Legacy One

Jun 24, 2010 05:01 AM
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Damon Gettier
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert - Roanoke, VA
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE

As always, Lenn is correct for VA.....although VAR counsel disagrees.

Jun 24, 2010 05:52 AM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

We have separate statuses for contingency and pending.  I would put it in contingency status and update the broker's remarks stating awaiting 3rd party approval.

Jun 24, 2010 04:50 PM