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C.L.U.E Reports: Horror Stories and How to Avoid Being One

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with LKN Realty, LLC 242267

 

 

 

 

The other day while in a real estate related meeting the topic of C.L.U.E.(Comprehensive Loss Underwriting Exchange) reports came up and a very successful young agent raised his hand and bravely asked "What is a CLUE Report".  My reaction was astonishment. How could any active Realtor today not have even heard of a CLUE Report? 

I learned about them years ago, the hard way, when my homeowners insurance was canceled because of one small claim which I didn't even need to file.  I ended up having to use Lloyd's of London coverage for several years. 

So, here are a few facts I gathered from Privacy Rights Clearinghouse which should motivate you to learn about C.L.U.E reports:

  • After you file a claim, your homeowner's policy may not be renewed and you may not find another company to insure you. (And, you may not be told about this by your insurance company!)
  • Your autombile insurance premium may be raised because you filed for bankruptcy.
  • Information stays on a CLUE report for five years.
  • Your credit history can play an important part in an insurance company's judgement about your risk potential.
  • Inaccurate information can be included in the report including information about someone else or another property.
  • A report may use information other than claims data to rate you as a risk.
  • Your phone calls to inquire abut a possible claim may be reported and lower your score.
  • Even when repairs are made and the property is restored to the original condition, the CLUE report can include information about the claim.
  • The report can affect the premium you pay as well as whether you are insured at all.
  • Your history as a long-time customer with your prior company is NOT a factor of the CLUE report.
  • Annual privacy notices from financial institutions and insurance companies do not have to explain that the company shares your information with the CLUE database.
  • The insurer assigns you a score based largely upon your credit history
  • You are entitled to get a copy of your CLUE report and your insurance score and dispute errors in the CLUE report.
  • Insurance scores are also based largely on credit history, but the characteristics fed into the insurance score are supposed to predict how likely you are to file an insurance claim.

The ability for our buyers to obtain homeowners insurance is so important that it should be one of the first things your buyer does once an offer has been accepted.  Prior water/moisture related issues as simple as broken plumbing that has since been repaired may make obtaining insurance on that property either very expensive or impossible. 

So, how does your client go about getting a CLUE report?  ChoiceTrust will provide a C.L.U.E. Personal Property Report with a 5-year history of losses associated with an individual and he/her personal property as well as a Home Seller's Disclosure Report which provides loss information about a given address which can be given to potential buyers. These reports can be ordered on their website.

I highly recommend that Realtors have every seller pull a CLUE report as soon as they know they are going to list their property and include a request for a CLUE report from every buyer just as you would a credit report.

And folks wonder why they need a Realtor!

 

Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate

Janet:  I feel your pain!  Thanks for sharing.  The more stories are shared the more all agents will understand!

Joan:  Thank you for yet another example as to why CLUE reports are so important!

 

Aug 20, 2007 12:28 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate

Ryan:  Thank you so much for the clarification.  I think I could have done a better job of explaining the various roles the scores play.  Great job of doing this for me!  And again, we all agree about not filing a claim unless it is unavoidable.  It doesn't seem right does it?

Lynda:  Good question about REO's.  I think the buyer will need to know upfront whether they can get insurance and at what rates.  My personal opinion is that lenders should provide a CLUE report as it is in their best interest to avoid problems later on.  However, I don't know how this is handled today.  Anyone want to let us know?

Aug 20, 2007 12:36 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Terri:  Thanks for sharing, that is great information!  When I had my problem years ago I could only get the Lloyd's of London type of coverage so it is good to know that Farmers has options available!
Aug 20, 2007 12:47 AM
Ryan Hukill - Edmond
405home @ ERA Courtyard - Edmond, OK
Realtor, Team Lead
OK, sorry to seem argumentative... it's really not my style, but Farmers is the company I worked for, and they DO use credit as part of their process for determining their rates (at least in OK, I can't speak for every state) and those inquiries DO NOT affect your credit score. There are different types of inquiries, some that will lower your score and those that will not. An insurance company's inquiry will not affect the score, because it's not seen as an application for credit, but rather an inquiry for underwriting of insurance. I think everyone definitely needs to be aware of CLUE reports, but the information given needs to be accurate and everyone needs to realize this is NOT something to get in a panic about or start believing this is going to throw a monkey wrench in every deal you have going.
Aug 20, 2007 12:52 AM
Terri Habecker
AIG, Allied, Fireman's Fund, CNA, Travelers,The Hartford, Pr - Dana Point, CA
Life Matters & So Does Your Insurance Co

 Diane, I'm so sorry and I'm sure you paid through the nose for your Insurance. I have never used my insurance and have a high deductible. If I have a minor problem, I plan to just pay for it. Some of the claims I have seen could have been avoided through maintenance. I have a couple of issues in my home that I really have to keep an eye on. New Construction 5 years ago, but built on a 60 degree grade with a 25 ft high retaining wall with caissons on the back of the property. I have to maintain the drains and make sure my rain gutters are kept clear. Also have the fire sprinkers to maintain and a very important factor to watch on these homes built on grades is to make sure the Water regulator from the water pressue from the street doesn't overburdon the water pipes. I have it checked annually and have had to have it replaced twice.

I don't know if water pressure is checked by Home Inspectors, but should be and can save the pipes according to the plumber that works on our home.  

This post has generated my interest to make a call into a claims adjuster for more info to share on the subject.

Aug 20, 2007 01:50 AM
Terri Habecker
AIG, Allied, Fireman's Fund, CNA, Travelers,The Hartford, Pr - Dana Point, CA
Life Matters & So Does Your Insurance Co
Ahh Ryan, do they still use credit in OK? They don't in Calfornia, but they used to and I have had clients not want to move forward on their Homeowner Ins. when purchasing a new property, even when our rates are lower because of the Credit check. Perhaps I should have clarified I work in Ca. 
Aug 20, 2007 01:55 AM
Armando Rodriguez
QUEST REALTY SERVICES - Orlando, FL
Orlando Homes 4 Sale, Real Estate Broker-GRI
I have heard of it...and it could play a role in the insurability of the property.
Aug 20, 2007 03:33 AM
Terri Habecker
AIG, Allied, Fireman's Fund, CNA, Travelers,The Hartford, Pr - Dana Point, CA
Life Matters & So Does Your Insurance Co

I called our Policy Processing Dept. and they couldn't comment on credit checks done in other states since we don't in Ca., but did agree that keeping a higher deductible with your Fire Ins. polcy is a good Idea to keep premiums down and try to take care of the smaller losses yourself. Any loss, no matter how small can affect your Premium (in Ca. w/Farmers up to 30% increase in Premium for 3 years.) I have Homeowner Insurance to protect our home in the worst case senario. Like our Autos, maintenance and Insurance is all part of the deal of ownership.

My husband and I both have Life Ins. as well. We take care of ourselves, but I'm a lot more expensive to maintain than he is, lol. Hopefully it's not going to be needed for a long long time.

While we are on the subject on losses and how it can affect you. Many Agents and Brokers have employees and subject to our wonderful Workers Comp Laws in Ca. Check your policy or State fund ofice to see what you can do regarding paying for first Aid and keeping these loss's off of your Loss counts. The small losses take a bigger bite out of your rate than large losses, because they are rated differently. There is criteria to what is first aid and what is not. Most of my homeowners are also business owners. I like to offer help in all areas of their life whether they are insured with me or not.

Have a great day everyone and Thank you Diane for bringing this subject to AR

Aug 20, 2007 04:07 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Ryan:  No need to apologize as there are many variables to this subject and it is important that everyone understands that they should contact their local insurance companies to find out the details about their community.  There is certainly no need for undue concern unless you are in a crisis market after a major earthquake or flood but even then we got through it.  I never lost a sale because of insurance but it sure helps to know up front if there are going to be issues.  Thanks again for your input!
Aug 20, 2007 07:35 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Terri:   Thanks for your advice and input.  Believe it or not, my claim was for a minor break-in when some teens took my daughter's CD collection and a cell phone.  This must have been back in 1999 but I was shocked to find out what a heftly price I paid for such a ridiculous claim!!  Thanks too for all of your great information!
Aug 20, 2007 07:39 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Aaron:  Thanks!  Not a very sexy topic but one I thought might be meaningful to some!
Aug 20, 2007 07:44 AM
Terri Habecker
AIG, Allied, Fireman's Fund, CNA, Travelers,The Hartford, Pr - Dana Point, CA
Life Matters & So Does Your Insurance Co

Oh Diane, that is such a shame. When I called Policy Processing, I even brought up a point when I was a teen, someone stole my uhhem....10speed. My Parents made a claim to the Ins. Co. and within 2 weeks, had a new bike. I was told that those were the days, but now, it just doesn't work that way.

Diane, if it helps at all, when our Son was 12, older boys in the neighborhood were scamming all the little kids and ripping off homes as a team. Cd's, Video Cams, you name it. It moved, it was gone. After making the police report, the alternative school hoodlums (for asaulting a teacher) waited for our Son to get off the bus and broke his jaw. The guys were 16 and 17 in a very nice respectible community. I don't mean to remove any of your "burnt feelings" towards insurance, but after surgery and our Son's mouth wired shut for 6 weeks and having to move, you did not do so bad. I had to get our Congressman involved for them to even see a court and a few days in Juvinile hall. Times are changing, that's for sure. Our whole world is moving at such a fast pace. Hopefully our stories will help others now that we have AR.

Aug 20, 2007 03:22 PM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes
A lot of homeowners have never heard of them. That is why they need agents :-)
Aug 20, 2007 04:12 PM
Chris Tesch
RE/MAX Bryan-College Station - College Station, TX
College Station, Texas Real Estate

Excellent reminder and a great way to establish yourself as a marketing expert.  No one else in my market would mention a CLUE report.  I think I will start to incorporate it and see what the results are like!

Aug 20, 2007 05:53 PM
Kathy McGraw
CELLing Realty - White Water, CA
Riverside County CA Real Estate
Interesting post and comments....is this report used in every state? 
Aug 21, 2007 02:05 AM
Ki Gray
Austin, TX
Austin Real Estate
I have ran into problems with CLUE.  For awhile they were dinging people for calling and asking questions.
Aug 22, 2007 04:10 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate

Terri:  I am so sorry too.  I can't imagine how awful that must have been for you.

Bob and Carolin:  Exactly!

Chris:  I know it's not a sexy topic but when I realized some agents didn't know about them I decided to write the post.  Thanks for your comment!

Kathy:  As far as I know they are, but check with one of your local insurance agents to be sure!

Ki:  I have heard that.  It reminds me of the old days when FICO scores were impacted by inquiries.  I would just counsel clients not to call about a specific claim but I think it is safe to call and ask general questions.  Again, I would recommend that your call a local insurance agent to find out for sure.  Thanks!

Aug 22, 2007 04:19 AM
Ryan Hukill - Edmond
405home @ ERA Courtyard - Edmond, OK
Realtor, Team Lead
Ki, I had the same thing happen back when I was still an agent. I got to where I was very careful not to give specific information when calling to ask questions. If I gave client info, an inquiry was considered a claim, whether anything was paid out or not. I had a real problem with that!
Aug 22, 2007 06:37 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Ryan:  Great input and advice.  Thanks!
Aug 22, 2007 12:17 PM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Ryan:  Great input and advice.  Thanks!
Aug 22, 2007 12:17 PM