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How To Borrow Money and Pay NO INTEREST !!!....Seriously.

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Nobility Partners, LLC
Ok, everyone, I'm gonna let you in on an amazing secret I recently discovered.  It's more or less a loop hole in the way banks lend money.  I know it sounds like I'm giving out fairy dust here, but I swear this makes sense.  Here's how it works. 
If you currently have a HELOC (home equity line of credit) then this will make a little more sense to you.  

In order to do this you will need to have a heloc that you can use as an MMA (money merge account).

Let's say you have a heloc for $10,000 (many of you may have them for far more, but the amount doesn't matter, so read on).  You then use $4000 of it to put a new roof on a rehab property you just bought.  At the end of the month, you'll get a bill that says you owe, roughly $50 as your first payment (which is more or less interest and a little piece of principal).  If you deposit your next $2000 paycheck into your heloc (instead of just paying that little $50 payment) the bank will calculate what you owe them as $4000 - $2000.  Making your new balance $2000, and they will consider that your payment for the month, (meaning they see your payment as having covered that $50).  The thing is, you can then pay all of your regular bills OUT OF that heloc with the debit card and checks that they give you when you open it.  

So, you pay your $2000 worth of household bills out of the heloc and end up with a new balance, at the end of the month, of $4000.  Now, you're in a new month, with the same balance that you had last month, and you haven't actually paid ANYTHING toward that account, but it's kosher because you "appeared" to make your payment for the month.  And, in reality, you did.  You just took that payment right back OUT after you made it.  If you do this for 10 months, or 20, you will still have a balance of $4000 and will continue to be able to put your chunk of money in and then use that chunk as you normally would.  Your balance will never change unless you charge more to that account.  This is the beauty of "open end" loans, as opposed to "closed end" loans (like a mortgage, which this would not work with).  So, take out a heloc and start using the money in your investments.  Sure you have to pay it back eventually, but you're not paying interest on it and you're likely MAKING interest on the thing you spent it on.  It's the best and only way to get free money from the bank.  

I hope this made sense to you all.  Tell me what you think.  Grade the blog.  Be my friend.  :)  

Abe
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

How many different ways can you spell creative finance?

Now Have a Blessed Day, 

John Occh, Hemet CA REALTOR
http://www.johnocchi.com/

 

Jan 26, 2007 03:59 PM
William Collins
ERA Queen City Realty - Scotch Plains, NJ
Property and Asset Management

Abe,

Thanks for the post. I have to echo John. Good money management point!

Jan 26, 2007 10:10 PM
Jim & Maria Hart
Brand Name Real Estate - Charleston, SC
Charleston, SC Real Estate
And I'll chime in with an agreement of the previous comments.  Interesting way to manage everything.  Definitely creative!
Jan 27, 2007 05:51 AM
Ed Brophy
Ed Brophy, REALTOR® - Palm Springs, CA
Realtor - DRE #01344385
Hmm, this sounds like the old Rob Peter to Pay Paul routine.  It seems to me in the end you're really not saving anything as you have the original $2,000 that interest is being applied to.  So, how is this interest free money?
Jan 27, 2007 11:01 AM
Laurie Manny
Long Beach CA Real Estate - Long Beach, CA

Actually this system was designed to help homeowners pay off their mortgages early.  For instance paying down a 30 year mortgage in 12 to 18 years.  United First Financial has been holding seminars on this for quite some time now.  Allegedly this is a system used outside of the United States for quite some time now.  I found too many holes in it to become involved. Although, I know many people that see value in it.

 

Jan 27, 2007 03:19 PM
Mark Flanders
Consulting - Silverdale, WA
Abe the only way this would work out as free, is if the lender calculates interest on a monthly basis. If it is calculated daily, as most are, then you WILL pay interest on the balance.
Jan 28, 2007 11:18 PM
Abe Loper
Nobility Partners, LLC - Lynchburg, VA
Mark, that is true, to an extent, but you won't pay interest on all that you borrowed.  You see, if you borrow $10K at the beginning of the month and then deposit your paycheck of $5K, paying your bills out of that account gradually, then the interest will be calculated according to a daily balance of $5K, then $6K (if you pay a $1000 mortgage out of it), etc.  So, though you borrowed $10K, you will never pay the interest that is due on that $10 because you don't ever keep that balance for a full month.  Instead, you'll likely be paying the interest on $5K, which means that you just borrowed $5K of that $10K interest free.  

Abe
Jan 29, 2007 12:39 AM
Mark Flanders
Consulting - Silverdale, WA

Yes, I understand that. And I don't mean to be picking on you. It is just that the title says "Pay No interest" and that is not accurate. Please accept my appologies if this seems minor to you. I'll leave your blog alone now!

Jan 29, 2007 01:12 AM
Abe Loper
Nobility Partners, LLC - Lynchburg, VA
Mark,
    Fact that you borrowed $5K at interest does not change the fact that you got $5K at NO INTEREST.   And, if you had borrowed only $5K to begin with then you would be paying interest on an averege daily balance of only a couple hundred dollars, meaning that you would be borrowing $4500 AT NO INTEREST and $500 at some unspecified rate.  You'd honestly end up paying about $3 interest each month, total.  Even if we assume that the $3 applies to the total of the borrowed amount, it ends up being less than 0.000001% if amortized over 30yrs.  That is, in essence, borrowing without paying interest.  
Jan 29, 2007 01:29 AM
Mark Flanders
Consulting - Silverdale, WA

Abe,

I love your attitude. You are open-minded. That is a very good thing! Welcome (again) to the 'Rain. I'll look forward to future posts from you.

Mark

 

Jan 29, 2007 02:17 AM
John Meade
Acadian Financial - Grand Rapids, MI

Abe,

A nice tool for those who can make it work.  When I first heard the concept it was called an "Australian Mortgage".  As Laurie mentioned above, this type of loan has been around for a while outside the US.  It works great if a) you have a large, steady paycheck and b) you are disciplined in your spending - I've had customers in the past who definitely couldn't handle having their HELOC merged with their checking account.  "How can I be out of money?  I still have checks!"  Nice post.

Feb 02, 2007 03:05 AM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

I saw this discussed back in '05 on CreditBoards but have yet to jump into it.  Perhaps it's a worthwhile route to take.  Thanks for sharing.

- Tchaka Owen
http://tchakaowen.blogspot.com/ 

Feb 02, 2007 04:28 AM
Anonymous
JL Eaton

Abe,

Your statement above, "The thing is, you can then pay all of your regular bills OUT OF that heloc with the debit card and checks that they give you when you open it" is a bit disconcerting.  You should at least warn your readers that the banks that offer this product are relying on human nature (the field is called "Behavioral Economics" and the good-side of it has been pioneered by Richard Thayler of the University of Chicago).  The banks are relying on the bad side of the same issue.  

I'd like to own this bank; and when I do, this is what I'll s to the Board of Directors:

"Our competitors are foolishly paying their depositors interest (on check-writing/debit card-friendly Money Market Accounts), while we have managed to get our depositors to pay us  interest on their household obligations, like utility bills, dry cleaning, dining out, and groceries (thanks to having linked our HELOCs to debit cards).  For those who manage to never spend more money than they make, even when life-events occur (major, unplanned medical or dental expenses, divorce, car breakdowns, lay-offs, etc.) we won't make much money.  However, for all those out there who don't expect these events, our HELOC/MMA account is the perfect vehicle to facilitate their accumulation of excess spending against their income (banks understand much better today HOW people will act/react to financial difficulties because of Behavioral Economics)  The excess spending grows their HELOC balance to our benefit; and of course, when this variable-interest rate product goes up, we make all the more profit... "

I'm not necessarily poking holes in your main thesis (that the product may be worthwhile), provided that the bank does not limit your paycheck-deposit spending to $1,950... but you should really look hard at and explain the implications for people who will knowingly or "unknowingly" misuse the product.  Banks employ very sophisticated accountants, tax attorneys, and actuaries; they are not offering the product to lose interest (lose profit) that could have been gained on a different product.

JL Eaton 

 

 

 

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