Special offer

Should A Home Inspector Have To Move Things To Be Able To Inspect Thoroughly?

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Should a home inspector have to move things to be able to inspect properly?

The gate was locked and I had not been able to see the back yard of this house.

We started inside and began looking around.

It occurred to me that the panel box was not where it usually is in a townhouse - at one rear corner or the other.

I could not find it!

The basement room in the center of the house was the seller's office.

From the door the panel box was WELL HIDDEN by a map on the wall, a desk with a computer, with a filing cabinet and shelf beside the desk.

On top of that, the cover of the panel box had been painted over multiple times, which glues it to the wall and makes it hard to get off.  

Taking the cover off can damage the wall.  But worse, and this is MY EXPERIENCE, taking it off can be dangerous.  The home inspector can think that his knife has cut everything off around the cover and has not.  The cover can snap back trying to take it off the wall and bad things can result.

But in this house, I would have had to clear off a desk that was IN USE, and move it, or move the shelf and filing cabinet, to get to the box.  They were full of things, heavy, and moving them would have been difficult at best.

Again, in my experience, when I get involved in doing things that are outside the norm, or try to be a Good Samaritan and repair something to see if it works, Murphy springs to life and bites me in the shiny hiney!

So what is Cool Hand Jay  to do?  What would Cool Hand Jay  do?

He passed.  I said that if I am back in the area before closing and the seller cuts the panel cover off the wall I would be amenable to coming back to inspect the box.  Better - ask the seller to have an electrician examine the box.  Yes, that would have another fee involved.

My recommendation:  houses should be made ready for a home inspection.  Something like this was obviously beyond the seller's thinking.  A lot of sellers don't know that the panel box has to be accessible and its accessibility is probably beyond the normal To Do List of the agent who is trying to prepare a seller for a home inspection. 

 

BUT, SHOULD A HOME INSPECTOR HAVE TO MOVE THINGS
TO BE ABLE TO INSPECT THOROUGHLY?

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(43)

Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Hi Jay - I agree with you.  You may open a box of unintended consequences.

May 04, 2016 05:13 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

I tell my clients that home inspectors conduct their inspections similar to police -- in plain site.  If they can't find it, get to it, access it . . . it aint' gonna be inspected.  I try to ensure, beforehand, that seller moves stuff, otherwise they may be responsible for my client's re-inspection fee.

May 04, 2016 07:25 AM
Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

My home inspector won't move things. So we request up front a checklist. If the seller doesn't perform the checklist, they are subject to the re-inspect fee.

May 04, 2016 09:24 AM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

Jay - I completely agree with you. Why incur an injury or a liability? If you can't get to it or can't find it, you can't be expected to inspect it.

May 04, 2016 09:34 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And I have, Grant!

And fortunately I don't need a search warrant, Carla.  I'll move a couple of things, but not like in this house!

Thomas - this is pretty common nationwide.  A know many inspectors who have been bitten!

Olga - once I could not find the water heater and knew where it was - buried behind a wall the seller built, for some odd reason.  I walked away, heard a loud crash, and my client said the wall was opened up by magic.  I believed him, and inspected the water heater!

May 04, 2016 09:41 AM
Eugene Kanciar
EKAN Home Inspection - West Vancouver, BC
Our Experience, Your Peace-of-Mind

Jay, I agree with your decision not to inspect items when there are obstructions and/or finishes may be damaged.

Here's a tip that I use to avoid these circumstances. As soon as the inspection is booked I will email a link to my website to both realtor and buyer on how to prepare for an inspection (www.ekan.biz/preparation). There's no guarantee that anyone will read or act upon it but at least I've done my part to minimize surprises.

May 04, 2016 03:18 PM
Joshua Frederick
Home Inspector for ASPEC Residential Services, LLC - Defiance, OH
Home Inspector in Defiance & all of Northwest Ohio

and then the sellers complain that we take too long :)

May 04, 2016 06:27 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Eugene.  I know that many realty firms here have instructions on how to prepare for home inspections, but, like you say, there is no guarantee that people will act on it.

Joshua - it might take longer if they would properly stock the fridge...

Says he, with a wink.

May 04, 2016 07:08 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

I agree with you. Home owners should make the home ready for the home inspector to inspect things.

May 04, 2016 08:40 PM
Sham Reddy CRS
Howard Hanna RE Services, Dayton, OH - Dayton, OH
CRS

Great points:

Houses should be made ready for a home inspection.  Something like this was obviously beyond the seller's thinking.  A lot of sellers don't know that the panel box has to be accessible and its accessibility is probably beyond the normal To Do List of the agent who is trying to prepare a seller for a home inspection. 

May 04, 2016 09:28 PM
Eric Kodner
Madeline Island Realty - La Pointe, WI
CRS, Madeline Island Realty, LaPointe, WI 54850 -

As many have stated here in the comments, it's a responsibility of the listing agent to see that the property is ready for inspection. Forcing a re-inspection by failing to make things accessible is a waste of time and money.

May 05, 2016 12:18 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Same as disclosure for agents...I report what I can see without any extra effort

May 05, 2016 12:35 AM
Richard Bazinet /MBA, CRS, ABR
West USA Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
Phoenix Scottsdale. Sellers, Buyers & Relocations

I have to put on my flame and heat resistant goggles to read your post Jay. You are one hot guy (not what you are thinking...)

May 05, 2016 03:11 AM
Matt Brady

Flame On!

May 05, 2016 11:25 AM
Pat Starnes-Front Gate Realty
Front Gate Real Estate - Brandon, MS
601-991-2900 Office; 601-278-4513 Cell

Coincidentally, my personal house went under contract and I remembered to clear out beneath the sinks so the inspector could see there were no runs, drips, or leaks. I'd hate for him to wade through the various cleansers and beauty products stored there!

May 05, 2016 06:37 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gita - more information and preparation by the listing agent to the homeowner is a good thing!

Sham - you are right, of course.  Hence the post!

Eric - while it is a hard lesson learned, it doesn't have to be with proper preparation.

Richie - sometimes I go to a lot of extra effort.  But belongings are sometimes precious and I will not move them.

May 05, 2016 10:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Richard - are you referring to the new avatar?  I was playing around with the thermal camera software and thought that was a fun selfie.  The hottest thing on the image is my nose, a healthy 95.6F.

Pat - that sure makes it easy!  I am usually digging around in there trying to see the floor under the drain!

May 05, 2016 10:16 AM
Matt Brady
Watermark Capital - Del Mar, CA
One of San Diego's Best Equity Advisors

Perhaps the to do list an agent provides a seller should include "provide access to electrical panel". I have a Do and Don't list for my loan clients which I ask them to initial after reading each item.

May 05, 2016 11:23 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

There are sometimes I go into a house to find the panel box behind a book shelf, and it has apparently been there for years, Matt!

May 05, 2016 08:41 PM
Eric Middleton
Closer Look Property Inspections Inc. - Uniondale, NY
Professional Property Inspector

Hey jay, yep this is something we encounter all the time. No way am I moving furniture or appliances, its just not worth what could happen.

May 10, 2016 11:57 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Eric - I had a panel box behind a leaned door, behind a shelf, behind moving boxes.  I know it was there because the meter was on the wall just outside, but I never saw it!

May 10, 2016 07:22 PM