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Short sale scams and mortgage fraud PART 2

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Real Estate Agent with Real Estate One 6501304423

A while back I wrote an article here on Short sale scams and mortgage fraud.  Last night I got this comment on the blog.

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I am interested in purchasing a home that is listed as a "Short Sale". My agent called the selling agent and found out that the number we are about to offer is currently better than the other offer they have received. But the selling agent advised us that his client is looking for $5000 on the side before they'll submit the offer to the bank. Is this some sort of scam? My agent says they can add an addendum to the offer that says we'll pay $5000 for a piece of furniture that may be left behind or for some appliance to be left by the seller. This way that $5000 won't go to the bank but to the seller. Again, is this fraudulent? It doesn't quite sound right regardless.

 So are you saying that there is nothing illegal about this? I'm going through this now where I want to put in an offer for a "Short Sale" house and the selling agent told my agent that the seller requires $5000 cash before he'll accept the offer, and then submit it to the bank. 

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WHAT DO YOU THINK AS REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS ABOUT THIS CONDUCT OF THE REALTOR AND SELLER?

 This how I replied............

I would call the bank and report this.  It will take some digging to get to the right person.  Giving the seller $5000 is wrong and unethical.  The seller's agent is just as guilty.  I might even turn him into his broker,  local newspaper, and local real estate board.  It's not illegal, it's just unethical!

Go to linked in or the bank website.  Find as many names of bank employees as possible and send out a mass email.  Somebody will respond.  Don't be afraid of emailing the president, ceo, vice president of the bank.  They will respond!  And you may not or might get the deal.  Your agent can't do this because of our code of ethics that says he can't contact the seller.  BUT YOU CAN!  Use every variety of name combo to get it thru.  For example if the bank presidents name is john smith @ charter bank.  Then do JohnSmith@thebanks.com or john.smith@thebanks.com or j.smith@thebanks.com or jsmith@thebanks.com   Don't tell the other agent or your agent that you are going to do this.

But of course if you really want the house and want to help the seller scam the bank out of money then give the $5000.  The $5000 should go to the bank and not to the person who won't pay their bills and honor the contract they signed.

 

I THINK IT IS A SCAM....WHAT DO YOU THINK AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL?

 Over the years as a contractor I have done $100,000 on a hand shake when I trusted the person.  So I believe in the old adage is that you are only as good as your word. 

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I agree this is wrong. In my humble opinion, it is no worse however than the banks/lenders/investors (usually those in 2nd or 3rd position) who request $3K, $5K, $10K, even $25K "on the side" to that party in order to get the short sale approved.

Jan 14, 2011 08:32 PM
Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239
Real Estate One - Commerce, MI
Michigan homes for sale ~ yesmyrealtor@gmail.com

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS..... this is far worse..... those people in second or third position are losing money.  They too had a contract, they loaned money to the owner of the property.  The quasi owner didn't fullfill their contract or pay their bills.  Those second or third position are owed money.  Is it wrong to try to collect?

I really hope you don't think it is no worse.  If you really think that then I wouldn't want to loan you money. 

 

Jan 14, 2011 08:49 PM
1~Judi Barrett
Integrity Real Estate Services 116 SE AVE N, Idabel, OK 74745 - Idabel, OK
BS Ed, Integrity Real Estate Services -IDABEL OK

Russ,

I am appalled.

I wonder if this happens very often...

Hopefully someone will put a halt to this action.

Thanks for blogging it.

Judi in Southeast Oklahoma

Jan 15, 2011 12:17 AM
James Lockard
RE/MAX Properties - Saddle River - Allendale, NJ
Realtor, Allendale, NJ

Anything that does not show on the HUD-1 is considered Fraud!  Stay away from it !

Jan 16, 2011 03:59 AM
Bob Jakowinicz
National Realty Centers Livonia--Bob Jakowinicz - Livonia, MI
Michigan Real Estate Agent-- MI Real Adventures

That sounds crazy all around!  It is absolutely amazing what people will do.   

Jan 16, 2011 01:42 PM