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I'm Mad as Hell and I'm Not Going to Take it Anymore!

By
Real Estate Appraiser with Lanier Appraisal Service CR004373

 

Remember that Movie.....Can you tell me the name??  


So here is my BEEF and I want to hear from Realtors, Other Appraisers out there and Yes, Lenders too! I have been appraising since 1993. I have Seen it all, the highs, the lows, but Now I am seeing RED!

When we send an appraisal to a lender it is reviewed by their reviewers and or Underwriters who then make the final call on whether they accept our report or want revisions or in some cases they call for a Field or "Desk Top" Review of our report by another appraiser.

FIRST Problem..those reviewers and underwriters are not licensed Real Estate Appraisers. So you have someone who does not have the expertise and training that the appraiser does, telling them that they do not agree with their adjustments or opinion of value, for any number of reasons. Or they ask you for even more commentary explaining every single step we take in the process of developing our opinion of value. Or they ask us to review several more comps just to make sure that our value is indeed accurate (What most people do not know is that we review many, many more comps before we hone it down and finally chose the BEST comps out of all of those we spent time reviewing)

Second Problem . Most of the time the reviewers and underwriters DO NOT READ the entire report and they are asking us for things that are CLEARLY in the report. This is a waste of our time and this only DELAYS closings. 

So if a lender says the appraisal is delaying the process......Don't always believe that because it may be the lender giving Appraisers a laundry list of questions to answer which takes alot of time, only to have to refer them back to our reports where we have addressed their issues. If we have to review more comparables (which most of the time are NOT comparable and that is why they were not included in the report in the first place) Guess what, we don't get paid for our time doing this......Well for me that is going to CHANGE! Next time I get a request to review more comps. I am billing them for that time.....I feel I deserve it. Time is money in our business.

Back in the Heyday when loans were closing left and right.....What we heard was "I am thinking of a number and you better reach it or you will not GET more work from us" Then after the great decline or Depression as I like to call it, lenders were doing a 180 and scrutinizing every little aspect of our reports ad nauseum. to just recently where they are now slowly but surely trying to push our values up again.......Have they not learned their lesson from before? YES markets in many areas are in recovery mode, but we are not going to  report a value over what the Market dictates. Yes we look at supply, demand, pending sales, closed sales and listings, but if the value is not there, it is not there.....PERIOD! Remember from one of my last Blogs. Appraisers DO NOT determine values. The MARKET does, we analyze and report it. 

We had a lender recently go over with their appraiser panel, their New Letter of Engagement (which is essentially an Appraisal Order .... For most lenders this is one page; providing us with the subject address, contact information for borrower or seller, due date for report, whether it is a Conventional or FHA loan and that is it) This lender's Letter is 14 pages long! It oulines a step by step process for how they want the appraisal completed which basically covers the requirements for every single  investor they have and they all have different requirements. So now our reports which are already several pages long will be even longer with even more commentary (Which they do not read)  and loans are going to be delayed even longer!  It is total MADNESS!

So my battle cry to lenders is this....Come on other Appraisers I want you to join in on this!  Realtors too if you Agree with our Plight. 

1. Get reviewers who have at least the same amount of experience as the appraiser you are reviewing...Tired of taking orders from someone who has never been in the field doing their own appraisal work.

2 READ our entire reports before you ask us a dozen questions and make us jump thru a million hoops only to find that our report was indeed complete and accurate where value was concerned.

3. We are CRAZY busy right now. Give us more time to complete the reports. Maybe fewer errors will occur if we have more time to develop the intensely detailed reports that you require of us.

Now I know some of you are saying HEY there are alot of BAD appraisers out there who need close supervision and who are pulling "BAD Comps".  Well many times that involves appraisers who are doing appraisals for AMC's for a cut rate fee. I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for!  

4. Respect us Please... Do not treat us like children by the kinds and types of requests you ask of us. We are highly trained in our business plus we  take 14 hours of continuing education every year. We must take USPAP courses every other year and we must follow USPAP in the completion and reporting of our appraisals, which sometimes is in direct conflict with what the lender may want. So we must educate them on our obligations if we want to KEEP our licenses. 

Now that I have vented. We as Appraiser need to stand up for ourselves and not take it any longer. We need Respect, we need consideration and we need not take this madness any longer.

 

Thank you very much for your time. ...Trust me when I tell you, I am not the ONLY One out there who feels this way!

 

Have a great weekend everyone. 

 

To those lenders that I work with who do not play these games THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!  You know who you are and I have to say I am blessed that the lions share of my business comes from Lenders who do Respect our Work! I am blessed but I want to stand for all the other Appraisers out there who may not be so lucky!

 

 

 

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Comments(14)

Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Network is a classic.

I feel your pain and if I was in your shoes, I'd be feeling the exact same way.

Jun 22, 2012 08:46 AM
Susan Neal
RE/MAX Gold, Fair Oaks - Fair Oaks, CA
Fair Oaks CA & Sacramento Area Real Estate Broker

Hi Mary - These days it is not easy to close a transaction, and it seems like everyone wants to point at someone else and say it's his fault.  Since most of us don't have a relationship with the appraiser, I'm sure it is easy for everyone to simply point at you.  I'm sorry you are put in that position.

Jun 22, 2012 09:02 AM
Pamela Smith
Award Realty - Sun City West, AZ
Sun City West, Corte Bella, Sun City Grand

Mary,

You have every right not to be happy.  Just take a deep breath, tomorrow will be better!

Jun 22, 2012 11:41 AM
Richard Wilson
Cherry Creek Properties, LLC - Colorado Springs, CO
Town or Country, in Colorado, we do it all.

I agree with you.  The banks are doing what they always have done.  My grandpa cautioned me that a banker is a poor business person.  When prices are high, they beg you to take money, when they get cheap and things are a good value, they will not loan.  He was born in 1898 and things have not changed.

Jun 22, 2012 03:16 PM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

You sound like you've reached the point of leaving the profession along with many, many other very good appraisers who can no longer tolerate the madness.  I have long questioned how a less qualified reviewer who does not even see the inside of the property is given more credence than the original appraiser.  I enjoyued appraising but it is no longer a viable profession and I believe the residential appraiser will soon be eliminated from the process.  We could surely match rants about the treatment of appraisers and flaws in the system given the time.

Jun 24, 2012 05:57 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

Fourteen page engagement letter?  Sounds like Equifax to me ~  If so, I had to ween them out of my client list for their notations in the engagement letter that state things like 'Equifax will not pay for no-show appointments' and 'If the client or borrower cancels prior to the report being turned in, no payment shall be issued to the appraiser' or some such nonsense. 

Good luck!

Jun 25, 2012 05:47 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Sara

I was waiting to hear from you about your experience. I just told this client today that I am no longer accepting orders until they get this nonsense fixed. Since that will likely not happen I am plenty busy with other good clients. At least they did not have those statements like no pay for no show in the engagement letter. But it was a step by step process as to how they want the report filled out which covers every little nuance that every investor wants. It takes me too much time to review their crazy questions and then answer them basically by saying hey guys read my report, it is in there. Not worth it any longer! 

 

Richard: Since I have been in business it was always the feeling that they are going to eliminate us, but that would be financial suicide and I really don't see it happening. Lucky for me I specialize in SPECIAL properties, There is no way an AVM or other online valuation source is going to figure the value on these properties. They have to be seen! I just hope I can retire soon with the vast majority of others out there in their 50's who will complete a mass exodus from this profession over the next several years. We are DAMN tired. I used to love this work as many of us did, It is a sorry state of affairs.

Jun 25, 2012 06:06 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

I started thinking about the legitimacy of some 'roster' rotations that AMCs have going on - For instance, is it really a 'roster' when they send out a mass email to appraisers in the area for an appraisal and pick (I'm assuming) the one that writes back with the lowest fee and/or fastest turn-time quote? 

 

Jun 25, 2012 10:32 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Sara

I hear you! I refuse to accept orders from any AMC who BLASTS appraisal orders. There are some companies that do nothing but have people or their system somehow accept those orders the minute they are BLASTED, so the roster idea is out the window if the same company gets all the orders. I think that process should be illegal and eliminated. It is demeaning to the profession to be placed in competition like that. It is a joke!

 

 

Jun 25, 2012 10:02 PM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

I actually believe FHA should return to their roster and control the appraisal process as was the case until the early 1990s.  VA has done it and I enjoyed their work since the lenders and AMCs were basically cut out of the equation.  VA assigns an appraiser and that's it.  They also do the review work.

Jun 26, 2012 01:24 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Richard: I like the idea. Wish Fannie Mae did the same thing based upon location of the subject address as one selection process and based upon experience and quality of past work for another. Problem now is some lenders are pushing the values up cause they hear in the news that we are now stable to increasing in some markets and others are still thinking we are in a 100% declining market and they want explanation after explanation and more and more comps in the report, They want every little thing explained to death and they don't even read the reports.  

Jun 26, 2012 03:33 AM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

I know the overkill of lender requests.  I've actually copied and pasted from within the report in response to an addendum request and it was accepted as if I had just written it - glowing proof the original report was never read.  Of course, hiring someone with appraisal background would also eliminate the need to "teach" the appraisal process with every report.

Jun 26, 2012 09:47 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia
Richard. Love that. I will do that next time! I also would like to throw something wild in the report that they won't catch just to prove they don't read the report.
Jun 26, 2012 10:04 AM
Broker Patty Da Silva Da Silva
Green Realty Properties® - 954-667-7253 - Cooper City, FL
Top Listing Broker

How enlightening and AGREED! I feel the same way with the people who process our short sales on the Seller's lender's end. Most of these people were just put at that desk and they're telling me I'm wrong when I'm reading from their own guidelines.

Jun 27, 2012 06:53 AM