Who builds a deck without posts?

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Who builds a deck without posts?

 

 

I need to prepare an estimate to rebuild a second story deck in Roseville tonight. The deck has quite a bit of dry rot and is not worth salvaging any of the wood from the existing deck. I did notice something strange about this deck.

 

It is my guess that this deck was not done with a building permit issued. There were a few things that made me believe that to be true, but one thing really stood out – It has no posts.

 

Who builds a second story deck with no posts?

 

Sure there was wood supports nailed through the 2x2's between the deck and railing but structurally this is very weak. Given the Early stages of rot, the railing has already failed. At a minimum, there should be posts at the corners for strength. This second story deck in Roseville, needed corner posts and I'm recommending 4 additional posts bolts to the perimeter of the structure.

 

The new design will be more than enough for this Trex deck. The pressure treated lumber will last for decades without rotting and the owners will be pleased with the final product.

 

I am so glad that the new owners looked for a general contractor in the Roseville area to repair their deck, not just patching the old dangerous work that was there. Before trying to salvage an old second story deck, I would recommend contacting a contractor to look at the project for a professional opinion.

 

 

 

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Rainer
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Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
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Your findings never cease to amaze me Tom. It takes all kinds! 

Jun 15, 2014 10:12 PM #7
Rainmaker
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Sharon Harris
Keller Williams Keystone Realty - Hanover, PA
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Beware of harry the home owner! Not sure what makes him tick.

Jun 15, 2014 10:36 PM #8
Rainer
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Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
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Sadly the concept of "Postless" deck framing is very wide spread. Some deck/builder/designer thought all those 2x2s were sufficient. And they do seem to be when all the wood is new and the nails are snug.

Now we are seeing second generation stuff fastened with non structrual screws. My reports have a 'Deck' section just for these reasons.

Jun 15, 2014 11:02 PM #9
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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It does look a bit flimsy doesn't it Chris?

Jun 15, 2014 11:52 PM #10
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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That doesn't sound like a safe structure to me Bliz, better get that thing tightened up.

Jun 15, 2014 11:52 PM #11
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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I didn't do the bouncy test Jay, it scares me!  :)
I did get a falling feeling when walking out the door, the deck joists had sunken into the beam several inches causing a slope away from the house.

Jun 15, 2014 11:52 PM #12
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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I'm glad too Roger, now it's just time to get it fix right.

Jun 15, 2014 11:52 PM #13
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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I usually don't get calls to come see well built deck Sheila, it the problem ones that I am called on. lol

Jun 15, 2014 11:53 PM #14
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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Thanks for the offer Raymond but my work here is not yet complete.  :)

Jun 15, 2014 11:53 PM #15
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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I hope I never cease to amaze you Suzanne!  :)

Jun 15, 2014 11:57 PM #16
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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I'm not sure either Sharon.

Jun 15, 2014 11:57 PM #17
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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It seems everyone thinks they can build decks Robert. When you look at that corner, it is only connected with a few nails toe-nailed into another weak board.

Jun 15, 2014 11:58 PM #18
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Les & Sarah Oswald
Realty One Group - Eastvale, CA
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It pays to do it right to begin with. A deck built just for cosmetics is just plain dangerous.  You are currently in great demand for fixing these things because no one else is so experienced. Another great post, Tom!

Jun 16, 2014 01:45 AM #19
Rainmaker
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Jeff Jensen
The Federal Savings Bank/Lending in 50 states - Greenwich, CT

That sounds like a pretty scary proposition.  We had a deck fail up here years ago and several folks suffered greatly.

Jun 16, 2014 07:53 AM #20
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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Sarah & Lester - Thanks for the compliment.

It is important that a deck looks good, but if it isn't safe something needs to change.

Jun 16, 2014 02:21 PM #21
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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Deck failure should be a high concern for anyone who has a deck Jeff. Accidents do happen so structures like deck need to be checked.

Jun 16, 2014 02:23 PM #22
Rainmaker
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Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
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Tom, I see this stuff all the time. Deck railings are poorly designed on many decks.

Jun 17, 2014 01:56 AM #23
Rainmaker
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Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Long & Foster Real Estate Inc 610-225-7400 - Devon, PA
Tredyffrin Easttown Realtor, Philly Main Line

Hard to believe that they knocked that together without posts. Hope they didn't hang out on there too much leaning against the rails.

Jun 17, 2014 07:01 AM #24
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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People find out the hard way why railings are so important Donald.

Jun 17, 2014 01:05 PM #25
Rainmaker
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Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
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Nick & Trudy - I just hope we can get it fixed before something bad happens.

Jun 17, 2014 01:06 PM #26
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