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When Sellers Want to List for More then the House is Worth

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When Sellers Want to List for More then the House is Worth

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I sold a listing to a very nice man . He needed a one floor house and this one had everything he needed  He also had a house to sell but did not need to sell to buy .He was paying cash and did not want to put his  house on the market until after he was settled into his new house . He also informed me he had been in the Real Estate business many years ago and knew what his house was worth. The house was located in an area of single homes of all different styles and sizes. There were also new homes where the city was offering a ten year tax abatement . Not only would you be able to purchase a new home but you would not pay taxes on the house for the first ten years .You would pay a small tax on the land it was situated on . That was his competition

 

He wanted me to give  advice to prepare the house for sale. When I walked in I was hit with a strong odor of cigarettes that could knock you over .  It also had not been updated for at least fifteen - twenty years and had a very unusual flowered carpeting and heavy drapery . It was a contemporary home with a nice layout but it need to be cleaned out . It was in a desirable area The outside needed curb appeal . I gave him a list of everything I thought  needed to be done . The house needed to be dressed for success

 

There is nothing wrong with houses not being updated do not get me wrong but it needs to be priced accordingly . Certainly not at the top of the market  and usually my sellers agree with me and that is what we do .  We price it at fair market value and get a price the seller is very happy with .

 

He assured me he knew what to do as he was once in the Real Estate Business too. The main issue between us at this time was price . His price and mine were totally different by $75,000 . He was not ready to list his house for another three months . No sense in making an issue of it now .

 

Apparently this Real Estate so called expert had the house up for for Sale By Owner . He said he had so many interested buyers he could not deal with them all and wanted me to come and list the house immediately . An agent in my office had two listings similar to this house priced around the price he wanted . I did not listen to  my gut feeling I agreed to take the listing . I did have a long listing contract and he agreed to reduce $25,000 after thirty days . Did I mention he did not do anything I had told him to do to clean it up

 

This listing had multiple showings almost everyday . Finally after the same feedback from several agents about the cigarette smell he had the carpets cleaned but would not remove these outdated drapes . The price was reduced by $50,000 in three months . There were still old clothes in closets and junk in the house . The outside was never cleaned up either .The house was vacant

 

I did receive several offers for exactly what I told him it was worth but he refused  to consider them.  I had a nice man who wanted to buy it for his children .The buyers  did not want it .They said he was so rude to them when the house up for Sale by Owner they would rather buy something else .

 

After the listing contract  expired the seller and I parted ways . He realized the price he wanted and the price he was going to get was unrealistic .  He put it up for  Sale by Owner for more money again  about a year later . He did not list it with a Real Estate Company .  I did not want to get involved with him as a seller again .

 

Sometimes  people just think they know more then a Real Estate professionals . It is a hard lesson to learn .When Sellers Want to List for More then the House is Worth

 

What I also learned was you can do everything right and still lose . I did lead the horse to water but they did not drink it . I checked public records  and can not as yet find that a sale took place but it may be to soon to show up    I am not so sure I made a mistake in taking the listing  at the escalated price as there were other houses priced the same way even though my gut said not too.  I had recommended the lower price but he insisted he had many interested buyers  


What bothered me was that he said I told him to price it at the higher price After all what did he know about Real Estate ? I also kept the add he had put in the local paper before I had listed it . I was so glad I kept all the comps in my file with a note saying I had recommended the seller list at a lower price .

 

I pride myself in being honest with my clients this is one of the most important thing to me . That is why they come back to me .

I felt I had done my due diligence 

 

Sometimes  people just think they know more then Real Estate professionals . It is a hard lesson to learn .

When Sellers Want to List for More then the House is Worth

 

 

If you would are interested in buying or selling please contact me

I would love to discuss any of your Real Estate questions  

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Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Hannah. I have no interest in setting the price for the properties we flip, there is no way I would know the right price compared the Realtors in the area.

Jun 11, 2016 08:39 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Good morning Hannah.  At one time I would have jumped on the listing, now if they are not reasonable I walk. 

Jun 11, 2016 08:47 PM
Sheila Anderson
Referral Group Incorporated - East Brunswick, NJ
The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133

Good morning Hannah. I knew from your title this would be a hard story. It is a hard lesson to learn but now that you know better you won't make this mistake again.

Jun 11, 2016 09:27 PM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Hello my friend Hannah Williams,  I have a attorney that things he knows it all and could be your guy brother.  Why do we have to get them.

Jun 12, 2016 12:20 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Hannah - I think that's a lesson that most of us have to learn, usually early in our careers. By providing excellent advice, keeping good notes, and working hard to get the client what he wanted, even though it might have been unreasonable, you acted with professionalism and did all you could. The result is on the seller.

Jun 12, 2016 12:38 AM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

We have all been there with the unrealistic sellers.  There is nothing more frustrating! 

Jun 12, 2016 01:50 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

George Souto  You always say the right things

Endre Barath, Jr.  There are always the few who know so much more the we do as professionals

Robert Vegas Bob Swetz  Our market has not reached this stage yet . I received an email saying my post was deleted from your group .Instead I see it was Featured Thank You . Think the system was a bit confused

Thank you for your comments

Hannah

 

Jun 12, 2016 01:56 AM
Robert Vegas Bob Swetz
Las Vegas, NV

Yes Hannah I think the system is confused and or the Negative Nelly's are making their rounds.

I have never deleted any of your posts or comments and never will  my friend 

Jun 12, 2016 02:01 AM
Hannah Williams

We have had conversations about posts being deleted from groups . So I checked and found it was Featured instead  -I didn't think you would my friend

Jun 12, 2016 02:44 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Fred Griffin  The last offer was off by about $5000 but we could not get it to work I also knew by the time the home inspection was done it would have blown up anyway

Debbie Reynolds  this was one of many .Unfortunately there are many people who have that nasty habit . I could write several more

Lauren Selinsky CRS 949.310.4960  people can be  stubborn but I find that most of the time they do come around especially when a house is vacant . Even with constant feedback on price and condition there was limited cooperation on the sellers part . Plus he was very demanding .

Ellie Shorb How thoughtful of you . This was a listing that I had a few years ago . I have moved on . Lesson learned and if he calls run the other way 

Thank you for taking the time to comment

Hannah

 

 

Jun 12, 2016 02:12 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Jeff Dowler CRS  To be honest I was a little relieved when the listing did expire

Alan Kirkpatrick  There was no emotional involvement here . . You know how it is when people think they know more then professionals it is frustrating

Hello Joe Petrowsky  The reason I agreed to the price was there were listings similar that were active in a very close proximity .  So we were not really out of market value that is why we did receive showings . It was just an unusual house and needed much updating .

thank you for taking the time to comment

Hannah

Jun 12, 2016 02:25 AM
Alan Kirkpatrick

Hannah: Well said. My point was that the owner was emotionally attached to his asset and unable to see it as it really was. As Realtor's we are not attached to the property we can see what needs to be done. 

Jun 12, 2016 04:04 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

James Dray  Good Morning  it depends on how much and the situation . It also depends if I think we can get the escalated price . Otherwise I too will walk

Hi Sheila Anderson  Thirty one years in the business you think I would know better .  It was my gut feeling and I should have walked away but people in my office told me to take it . Everyone thought it would sell .It was a hot market at the time .

Will Hamm  This seller was an easy buyer.  When it came to being a seller he knew it all . So glad I documented everything . I just had a bad feeling . Especially at the end when he said I told him to list it at that price  'what did he know about Real Estate "

Thank you for your comments

Hannah

 

Jun 12, 2016 02:35 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Dick Greenberg  I felt I did my due diligence . He was a very difficult seller .I was glad I documented everything .  You are a wise man

You are so right Susan Haughton . He was so easy to deal with as a buyer . He knew what he wanted and we did it . As a seller well that is the story

Thank you both for your input it is greatly appreciated

Hannah

Jun 12, 2016 02:41 AM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

Oh Hannah Williams, as I read your depiction of what took place with this client I felt that I knew him well. I have had this client several times, the X-real estate professional who failed to grip the ideas that lead to success. 

Jun 12, 2016 03:43 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hannah -- these are often the hardest lessons to learn but we gain from the experience.  Eventually.  

Jun 12, 2016 04:30 AM
Noah Seidenberg
Coldwell Banker - Evanston, IL
Chicagoland and Suburbs (800) 858-7917

This can really end up in a bad situation Hannah. I agree with Michael Jacobs.

It can be rough to learn the hard way.  

Jun 12, 2016 05:25 AM
Robert Bob Gilbert
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Anderson Properties - Katy, TX
Your Katy TX ( West of Houston) Real Estate Expert

Hannah, There are many folks who think they are RE experts and all this home related TV shows are making this ssituation worse. This was a tough lesson to learn. 

Jun 12, 2016 07:54 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Michael Jacobs  Each lesson we learn is unique  . 

Noah Seidenberg I am glad I documented everything  . Learning the hard way is sometimes the best way to learn as it makes a lasting impression .

Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, Broker, Tacoma Washington   Yes we have all met  the X Real Estate professional  haven't we The person who knows more then we do  and just does not listen . They cost themselves money and sometime we allow them to waste our time .  I think we actually believe at some point we will get through to them.  Many time we do .It is a roll of the dice

Thank you for taking the time to comment

Hannah

Jun 12, 2016 08:06 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Robert (Bob) Gilbert  A man stopped in to see me he wanted comps on homes that sold 4 years ago on his street so he would have an idea what his house was worth . When I tried to explain how the process worked he became very irritated and told me he knew how RE worked . I gave him the info and  my card & sent him on his way . He didn't want my opinion

Thanks for your input

Hannah

 

Jun 12, 2016 08:18 AM
Lawrence "Larry" & Sheila Agranoff. Cell: 631-805-4400
The Top Team @ Charles Rutenberg Realty 255 Executive Dr, Plainview NY 11803 - Plainview, NY
Long Island Condo and Home Specialists

Oh, we know these unrealistic sellers. We run...

Jun 12, 2016 11:00 PM
Robert Bob Gilbert
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Anderson Properties - Katy, TX
Your Katy TX ( West of Houston) Real Estate Expert

Hi Hannah, I am stopping by to say hello and I hope you are having an excellent week. 

Jun 22, 2016 06:27 AM