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Why I'm RAISING the price significantly on a house that hasn't sold for 445 days

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Education & Training with HD Realty BK662006

Why a perfectly good house didn't sell, even after 445 days!Photo of 593 Yorkshire in Oviedo Florida

And call me CRAZY...I'm RAISING the price!

So did my headline get your attention? Good, it did it's job. And it's true. This week I got a listing that has been on the market for 445 days! Here's a little background, I'll try to keep it short. The sellers had a new home built and figured there would be no problem selling this one when the time came, but they didn't count on the market tanking. Their agent just kept saying "it's the price, we've got to lower it." But nothing worked. They were complaining to their financial planner about how maintaining 2 house payments was getting a little old when he suggested they talk to me.

I chatted with them on the phone and did a little research into the comps and guess what I found? Mistakes! Mistakes and missed opportunities.

  • First, it was listed as 2098 square foot when it is actually 2378, shorting them 290 foot (they weren't counting the loft/bonus room/office) Do you realize that at $100/ft they were potentially losing $29,000! 
  • 2nd, it was THE CHEAPEST house in the neighborhood at the time. If you see in MLS a house that's 10-15% under market value, what's the first thing that goes through your head? EXACTLY! Short sale and the agent's too stupid to even know it or disclose it properly! If you have a good listing that is NOT a short sale, PUT IT IN YOUR DESCRIPTION! Not a Short Sale!
  • Next, under financing available, it only said Cash or Conventional. Remember, all year long FHA has had increased loan limits and this house would have qualified for FHA financing, and most likely VA too, so any buyer's agent that searched for houses eligible for FHA financing would have missed this one.
  • 4th, the loft can easily be converted to a 4th bedroom. I asked the sellers if that was a deal breaker, would they pay for the conversion and they said "absolutely" so my listing says that...
  • Next, I did a walk through of the house and gave the sellers a "honey do" list that was just a bunch of minor things, but they looked bad to a buyer:
  • take off the rusty screen doors on the sliding doors and store in the garage
  • plug the holes in the concrete patio from the termite treatment 10 years ago
  • repair the rotten wood around the bottom of the patio beams
  • clean the windows in the cathedral ceilings and the top of the fan you could look down on from the loft
  • take down the "dead fish" hanging on the wall in the office (it doesn't bother me, I have a deer over my fireplace, but it may bother your buyer!)
  • move the 2 computer desks out of the living room and put one in each secondary bedrooms
  • and a few other minor cleaning things

I'm also going to go over and "stage" the home a little bit with some nice brightly colored towels, a welcome mat, some candles around the master garden tub.

Wow, this is going to be a great house to sell!

Here's the best part, since we're listing it at $289,900 and we already know he's flexible, it looks like I have a seller willing to hold back a  second mortgage to help a buyer get into the property! Cha-ching! Owner Financing Baby!

Oh, I almost forgot, after we discussed at length all of the different ideas I had and the ways I was going to market it, Mr. Seller said "Andy, I don't want to offend you, but are you a "regular" Realtor? Because I've never heard of some of the stuff you're talking about" And when I asked him why he left it listed for 445 days with an agent that wasn't getting results, he answered honestly that he didn't think it made any difference whether ABC realty's sign was in the yard or XYZ's, he thought we were all the same. At least until Brian referred him to me!

So if you have a buyer for an amazing house in Oviedo, the seller is willing to: Owner Finance, Lease Option/Lease Purchase, Hold a second mortgage , convert the loft to a 4th bedroom, pay closing costs, or even take much less for a qualified buyer that can close quickly, then call me right away.

If you don't have a buyer for that, please take this for the helpful lesson it was meant to be and go review YOUR listings for mistakes and missed opportunities right now... (and if the agent that had the listing for 445 days is reading this, thank you, you've made my job easier!)

Anonymous
Paul La Mott

It's always great to see that there really is a difference between realtors that view their job/ role as a profession/ service and those that, well, don't. Great points!

Dec 04, 2008 02:57 PM
#59
Janice Roosevelt
Keller Williams Brandywine Valley - West Chester, PA
OICP ABR, ePRO,Ecobroker

Andy: this is a graet way to start my day and I applaud you - please let us know - along the way- how this turns out. Janice.

Dec 04, 2008 08:21 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

You are a smart agent.

I cannot tell you how many times, I've consulted on a listing and found the previous listing to be so defective that there was no hope of the home selling.

When a home is presented well, it is usually worth significantly more money.

Good for you.

 

Dec 04, 2008 10:34 PM
Marlene Pellegrini
Norwich, CT

Good tip about mentioning that the listing is NOT a short sale.  Thanks.

Dec 05, 2008 12:16 AM
Kelsey Barklow
Hurd Realty - Johnson City, TN
423/948-9154

Great post. Thanks for the ideas. Yes, there really are a lot of lazy agents out there but also a lot of hard workers like you, and me!  Keep up the great work.

Dec 05, 2008 12:22 AM
Catherine C Capasso
Catherine Cornelia Real Estate - Eastchester, NY
Cottage or Castle, What's Your Dream!

One of the things I love about this post is your enthusiasm fior this listing. I will keep that in mind with my sellers and my buyers.

Dec 05, 2008 02:03 AM
Celeste Starmer, P.A.
Town & Country Realty - Deland, FL
Affordable Housing Partner

I like this VERY MUCH!!!  and an agent that is working in the same MLS as I am at that.  Some of your points have always been my own pet peevs....BUT ... I think I will go back and review just for accuracy's sake.  - like the FHA.. thing... I ACTUALLY SEARCH THIS WAY!!! :)  Refreshing.. I'm going to look at all of my listing right now and make sure that they Have this where it will work!!  Thanks for the reminder!

GREAT POST!

Dec 05, 2008 04:36 AM
Anonymous
Patty Koutcher

What a sharp realtor you are!  You realized that some staging was needed and you did it yourself. I am wondering what would have happend 445 days ago if the former realtor would have suggested to the owners to use a Home Stager. Staging the property would really make their home stand out amid the competition. Good luck on the listing. Patty Koutcher, HomeStagingMagicLLC. Boynton Beach,FL

Dec 05, 2008 04:58 AM
#66
Daniel Bates
MCVL Realty - McClellanville, SC
McClellanville and Awendaw, SC

Have we really reached the point where we need to say not a Short a Sale? I don't think so. I also don't really agree that the cheapest house on the block screams anything other than an owner wanting to sell there home.  I don't assume short sale.  Best of luck with the sale, but I'm doubting that a few changes in MLS are going to cause a beaten path to your door. 

Dec 05, 2008 07:32 AM
Anonymous
Brett Wilson | Real Estate Radio USA

Daniel..thank you for the rational thought. Those who do not realize that REO's and short sales are INDEED comparables obviously have not been submitting deals to underwiters for loans.

I thank you for the willingness for the math...but that math shows that you may have quite a tough road ahead of you. Pricing a home to sell is critical right now and to do otherwise is tantamount to failure.

Using your numbers above...you have comparable home son the market that HAVE not sold at lower prices..and you have comparables..valid comparables that further devalue your listing and to make matters worse we here in Florida are in a declining market.

I will be AMAZED if this house CLOSES (not goes under contract) but CLOSES above. Here's another question..of those houses you mentioned..what are the days on market for each of those listings...you see with no comparables and a declining market and the only comparables being that which you decide to discount...you are looking at a property that may be hard pressed to close at even $250,000..notice I said CLOSE.

I think realtors really need to look beyond the contract and get tough and hardnosed about the numbers. Instead of advising homeowners to do repairs how about asking for an appraiser to come out and give a REALISTIC valuation as to what the property is worth today as a bank would look at it and then price it 10-15% BELOW that to seriously try and move the home. Everything else is just tossing a coin into the fountain.

Dec 05, 2008 08:25 AM
#68
Andrea "Andy" Tolbert
HD Realty - Sanford, FL
Broker, Safety Expert, Instructor

With all due respect to Brett Wilson who commented on this thread on 12/05/08 at 4:25 pm who stated:

I think realtors really need to look beyond the contract and get tough and hardnosed about the numbers. Instead of advising homeowners to do repairs how about asking for an appraiser to come out and give a REALISTIC valuation as to what the property is worth today as a bank would look at it and then price it 10-15% BELOW that to seriously try and move the home. Everything else is just tossing a coin into the fountain.

I 99% Disagree (never say never and never say always...there's always exceptions!)

If every real estate professional looked at the TRUE MARKET VALUE in today's numbers and THEN priced it 10-15% lower than that, then you've just lowered the true market value by 10-15% and then the NEXT homeseller in there will have to price 10-15% BELOW that, and so-on...you've now CREATED our declining market which has everyone up in arms to start with.

I feel strongly about this, so much so I might just post an article on this topic alone!

Subscribe to my blog and see what I come up with!

Have a great weekend all!

Andy

Dec 05, 2008 09:05 AM
Anonymous
Brett Wilson | Real Estate Radio USA

Andy..glad I could be inspirational. Love to have spirited discourse. I look forward to your article.

Andy, the point is...I don't care about the "market"..my Selelr did not hire me to worry about the "market". My Seller hired me to sell their home. People we work with never have a listing on the market for more than 7 days becasue the home is priced to SELL. Not to please the "market"!

I say your foundation is wrong..why? Becasue I am basing what I say on the immutable laws of supply and demand.

No where in my post...will you see that I said ACCEPT the offer at 10-15% below market value as a hardline determinant. I said LIST the property at that price.

Very..very..big difference that almost all realtors miss. In an inventory laden market you must CREATE demand.

By listing the property aggressively you create a buzz and like a REO property you will seek to accept the highest and best offer in what should be an immediate multiple offer situation.

If you don't get multiple offers then you know you have a dog. When you do, you actually create a buzz and will be able to raise the price until the DEMAND dictates the sale price.

We recently had a client who had the same scenario as what you write. Almost exactly the same.

We told him to lower his price and watch the phone go crazy. He listed the property at $300k. Everyone and their mother freaked...we told him to stay calm..and follow procedure. In under 4 days He had 10 offers on a home that had sat unsold for over 14 months. 2 were from neighbors or neighbor's relatives!

He responded to each and told them that he had multiple offers and that he needed to receive their buyer's highest and best offer by noon on friday. He ended up getting a contract for $330,000.

Which is only a short $ away from what the "perceived " market value was to beging with.

The laws of supply and demand will always prevail..hence your argument as to the creation and perpetuation of the declining market is incorrect.

You simply assumed that when I said "list" the price at 10-15% below MV that I said ACCEPT that contract..which is not what I said at all. You may indeed have to accept said contract as if there are no multiple offers you have realized the true value...but it is not a mandate.

Hey..in the end, it's all about marekting. But rather than spending the time sprucing up the joint, market for what matters most in this inventory laden housing market.

 

Dec 06, 2008 03:00 AM
#70
Jeff and Lisa Sellers
The Sellers Realty Lubbock,TX - Lubbock, TX

Brett/ I didn't read all the discourse back and forth, but I agree with your main points.  My wife and I have had the shortest days on market in our area and we do everything we can to price our listings to SELL!  We recently had 3 offers on one of our listings within 2 hours of each other....ALL WERE FOR ABOVE FULL PRICE!!!  Demand brings on ACTION from buyers agents and buyers!  You often get more for your seller than doing the old stupid game of starting high and dropping and dropping and dropping and eventually getting much less than you would've just pricing it right in the first place.  An attractive list price breeds multiple offers and really strong offers, don't you agree?????

Dec 06, 2008 03:30 AM
Colleen Cooley
The Corcoran Group - Jupiter, FL
CRS - Jupiter Florida

That's what I call making lemonade out of lemons!  Great job.

Dec 06, 2008 04:00 AM
Anonymous
Brett Wilson | Real Estate Radio USA

Andy if I could respond to Jeff and Lisa..not looking to hijack your post here.

@ Jeff and Lisa...ABSOLUTELY! Buyers are out there..they want a deal and one of the best marketing tactics is the takeaway. Create the deman, create the buzz and the buyers more often than not will respond accordingly. Works in just about EVERY business. Hmmm...why is it the same products that were on sale before Black Friday create a fenzy and demand on that day? BUZZ!! Marketing.. demand creates action!

Dec 06, 2008 06:48 AM
#73
Anonymous
Bonnie

Good Job!  Glad to see this happening again. When my brother in law was the broker and a property that didn't sell he always said raise the price, no one wants to buy the lowest priced home/land on the market. If the property didn't sell in 30 days  or less he'd say raise it again until it's sold. The buyer thinks something is wrong with the property if it is so under priced". You can clearly see Realtors who just want listings and under cut the true value of homes/land in todays market.   If he was alive today he'd have the office jumping in excitment in sales. He died in a car accident at 44 years old and left everyone with his love of Real Estate knowledge and  those who knew him now  own and follow what he taught. 

Dec 06, 2008 12:08 PM
#74
Benjamin Clark
Homebuyer Representation, Inc. - Salt Lake City, UT
Buyer's Agent - Certified Negotiation Expert

Let us know how it goes. I have seen the owner financing work to sell a home that couldn't sell before. And in this market, that may just bring in some buyers who otherwise could not buy...

Dec 06, 2008 03:16 PM
Jeff and Lisa Sellers
The Sellers Realty Lubbock,TX - Lubbock, TX

I'd have to agree with Brett on 99% of the situations and, no offense, but 1% to Bonnie.  If you pick a competitive price to start with you shouldn't have to ever start lowering it b/c it will sell for full price or just a little lower and lots of times higher in a very short length of time.

However, my wife did list a little garden home one time that just so happened to be in a neighborhood where she actually raised the price and someone bought it.  Once in a blue moon, this works.  Typically the buyers agent and buyer would want to know a reason for raising it though, wouldn't they???  Sometimes it may be the very smallest, least expensive home in a neighborhood and if you don't price it at at least a certain price point, realtors may miss pulling it up.  We recently comped a house out at about $195,000 on the high end.  However, nothing was listed or had ever sold in the last 5 yrs. for anything less than $200,000 in that neighborhood, and many for 500,000 to 1,000,000.  Obviously if a realtor just pulled up everything in that zone or legal descr. without putting a minimum price on it, they would see it.  However, a lot of realtors would start their search criteria at at least 200k because there has never been anything over there for less.  This particular home was on a very busy corner and had the smallest square footage by far of the entire area. 

So, we did recommend $200,000 for that very reason.  We didn't want any prospective buyers or buyers agents to miss it on their searches.

There are always exceptions to every rule, but let's be realistic too guys!

Also, remember that in this blog, the previous realtor was way off on square footage,etc.  She wasn't just raising the price for the fun of it!

 

 

 

Dec 06, 2008 04:04 PM
Lisa Spalding
Casa Latino Four Corners, REALTOR, CDPE - Longwood, FL
REALTOR, CDPE

I just LOVED reading this thread.  Lots 'o good info here to mull over.  :)

Dec 08, 2008 12:27 AM
Marjorie Taylor
Florida Homes Realty and Mortgage - Saint Augustine, FL
New Homes in St. Augustine Florida

Great thinking Andy - best of luck, I hope you sell this home quick.

Dec 12, 2008 08:38 AM