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One Butt Ugly Deck!

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Around our house, we are not supposed to use the word "butt."  We favor hiney, rear end, backside, well you know, other words.

But here, another word is entirely appropriate, because this is one butt ugly deck!

This is new construction!  This is a brand-new deck.  It was finished the day before this picture, and still had trash and broken glass on the top from other "repairs."  (By the way, any builder that leaves broken glass on a deck knowing that clients will be out there for a final inspection is not thinking.  Such actions leave one, like this inspector, to think they may just be lackadaisical in other areas as well.  They were!)

This deck has three posts.  Cross bracing is helpful to prevent side-to-side swaying.

But really only one cross brace would be needed, on the far right post, extending 45 degrees upward and to the left.

The lateral brace, from that far right post angling toward the house is unnecessary.

But look at this array!  Nothing is cut flush.  There is bracing everywhere.  And look at how they are attached!

Two pieces of scrap wood are nailed to the beam, and then the bracing is bolted thereon.  One bolt is too close to the edge.

How cute would that be to look at as you sit on your patio enjoying the air?

The left side of the deck is no different. 

Those cross braces are indeed bolted to the beam, but they are not flush to the beam.

And the rest of the cross bracing is just as beautiful as the right side.

With 45 degree cross bracing on the outside columns of the deck, that piece nailed to the underside is unnecessary.

And this is what you can't see in this photo!

The unnecessary lateral brace is simply nailed to a piece of scrap, which is itself nailed to a joist!

And look, there are a whole bunch of nails!  Ain't it all perty?

It is already coming loose.

It's been there for one day! 

This is one butt ugly deck!

And unprofessional to say the least.  Looking down the row of townhouses what do you know, the decks are all the same!  Wow, surprise, surprise, surprise!

My recommendation:  your clients deserve better than this.  Most buyers would look at this and in their naivete might think that since the builder did this it is appropriate, common and okay.  IT IS NOT!  Get a home inspector in there to look around.  And look around carefully!  This is the builder, after all...

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(72)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Steve - I didn't see this house pre-drywall, but lags are not approved here.  They must be through bolts.  I was unable to see them on this inspection though, from the inside.

Thanks Sherri, and I agree!  Get a bull dog with experience too.

Mike - that would not shock me at all!  I bet those guys would be busy day and night.

Alan - as you know, I typically have more problems on new houses than on old!

Aug 05, 2011 11:10 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Kerissa - that deck is stress!  And stop by any time!

Robert - no need to spend all that time.  Just a diagram would be enough.

Melissa - I considered adding the word monkey to the title, but decided that might be over the top.  Or the under the bottom...

Aug 05, 2011 11:12 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks again sdfgw...

Aug 05, 2011 01:36 PM
Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566

Hey, the whole world knows about incorrectly finished decks thanks to this post.

Aug 05, 2011 02:30 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Picky picky... if you want to see a butt ugly deck, you should have seen my deck after the first time I stained it.

Aug 05, 2011 02:58 PM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Jay, the carpenter was only doing what his boss told him to do, use as much of the scrap as possible so that nothing would go to waste. Not one of the tradesmen was going to see it from where they lived.

Aug 05, 2011 03:40 PM
Don Barrett
Integrity Real Estate Services - Idabel, OK

I wonder what they were smoking when they built this one? 

Aug 05, 2011 03:45 PM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

Jury rigged. 

Right? That's what we call it. Jury rigged. And it makes me wonder what other part of the home are poorly put together. 

Aug 05, 2011 04:01 PM
James Sanson
REAL Broker, LLC - Tempe, AZ
REALTOR®

We call it Mickey Moused commonly, that was mickey moused. Very interesting.

Aug 05, 2011 06:08 PM
Heather Russo
Keller Williams Realty - Kerrville - Kerrville, TX
SRES , REALTOR, Kerrville, Texas Homes for Sale

Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!! That IS one BUTT UGLY Deck!!! I can't believe that this builder is actually making a living on this shabby work!

Aug 05, 2011 06:09 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Cheryl - or the whole world had it confirmed yet again!

Reubs - you GOTTA send a picture of that one.  My address is on my profile - blow it up and put it in a big tube!  Will it be suitable for framing?

Ed - you mean instead of taking the scrap home?

Don - likely something prohibited.  Let this be a lesson to all!

Aug 05, 2011 11:14 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Joe - it is and you will!  There is more to follow...  But not today's post.

James - when I lived in South America I wanted to find out the word for Mickey Mouse, in the context you mention.  And everyone said, "infantíl."  That pretty much works here too!

Heather - well put.  I wonder sometimes also.

Aug 05, 2011 11:19 PM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

Jay, this is one thing the average buyer wouldn't even think to look at.  And another reason every home buyer should have a home inspection.

Aug 06, 2011 04:25 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Very true Chris, and this one's a mess!  Monkey butt ugly?

Aug 06, 2011 04:59 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Unfortunately Jay, we can't draw diagrams here in this editor (or any that I know about).  

What I was talking about is cross bracing and solid blocking (also called cross bridging and solid bridging).

This is done at midspan or 8' intervals (along the length of the joists) and runs perpendicular to the joists. It consists of small pieces (2x2) or short pieces of joist size material nailed into the space between the joists to stiffen and brace the joists from lateral or roll over movement. (Keep your eye out for metal bar systems that were used in the 60s and 70s. They’re OK if they are still firmly attached. – no nails.)

For standard lumber stock (2" nominal, 1.5" actual), joists that exceed 10 to 12 feet in length (note-this is not the same as span) should have this bridging-blocking at the mid length position. This is the only way to absolutely prevent rollover failure.

Joist roll over failure occurs when the middle area and midspan zone of long joists deflect sideways due to loading or shock under load (earthquakes). The joists tip over sideways in one direction and then the load breaks the joists and the floor collapses. This also can occur in trusses and rafter systems.

Joist hangers and rim nailing or screw attachments at the ends can help but are not sufficient to prevent the roll over from occurring except in joist lengths of 8’ or less. The joist wood simply breaks at the hardware connections when rollover occurs.

Unfortunately this has occurred here in Quebec where a snow loaded truss roof system rolled over and caved in on an occupied building. There were multiple fatalities. The engineering report cited the rollover and collapse being caused by insufficient lateral bracing between the trusses. 

In floor and deck framing, that lateral bracing is the cross bracing and solid blocking. Decks have failed here this way but so far with out serious personal injury. (Visualize ‘Rocky Horror Picture Show’ fans all ‘jumping to the left’ in unison, on a deck without this detail. – From a framing perspective that constitutes ‘shock loading’.

Deck framing (rather than house floors) is more susceptible to rollover failure for three reasons;

1.    They are more likely to have been constructed by non-professionals who are unaware of the importance of this detail.

2.    Unlike house floor frames they are not contained or restrained on all sides by walls that could help prevent or limit any roll over movement.

3.    The ability of the joist to flex in the middle or deflect sideways under load is a function of its height to thickness dimension ratio. The nominal thickness standard is 2”. The actual thickness has decreased over time from 1-3/4” to 1-5/8” to 1.5”. However you can buy 1-1/4 stock and many ever budget conscious DIY builders, and low bid contractors, do just that. 1-3/8” is also common and nearly as flexible.

In this case flexible is not desirable, but good solid and safe decks can be build with these materials. But ‘to code’ is unsafe.

These builds have to be done with a full understanding of the first principles behind the code provisions. In other words the builders have to understand why these details are important, what difference the thinner stock makes and have the skill and knowhow to build well and safely with these materials.

As inspectors and real-estate professionals we have to be aware of the consequences of the absence of deck and other framing details. Be alerted by ‘new’ thinner dimensions and materials.

Aug 06, 2011 06:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That's what I thought it was Robert.  Your English, my English - we just use different words.  By a diagram, I meant just post one that describes what you mean.  You went to a lot of work!

Here blocking is only on the outside two joists.  And, when properly done, the outside joist is doubled.  Like in the diagram!

By creating that square it stiffens the joists enough so that guardrail posts don't rock and roll.

Of course, joist hangers would be used too.

Aug 06, 2011 06:24 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

That's good Jay. Where do you find such diagrams? I know you could do it in Google Sketch-Up but that would take me weeks verses hours.

Aug 06, 2011 06:30 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

See the water mark?  Decks dot com.

It's a thing we have here called Google.  You should look into it.

;>)

Aug 06, 2011 06:33 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

I deserved that! Must be tired. Cheers, RB

Aug 06, 2011 06:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And despite it all, my Google stock has done great.

But they have images and stuff too.

That was a love tap.

Aug 06, 2011 06:47 AM