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Before The Drywall Goes Up, Things MUST Be Dry!

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

On a recent pre-drywall inspection, which usually happens a day or two before the insulation and drywall are installed, I noticed a section of the house that was very wet.  And, before the drywall goes up, things MUST be dry!

This is behind a gas fireplace, with a very large cavity above where a TV would be installed on the wall, with two large shelving units beside.

The cavity is only about 15" deep, but it will be entirely enclosed, not accessible from the back side.

I wondered where this water was coming from.  The roof was supposed to have been finished.

ALL ROOFING HAS TO BE FINISHED BEFORE DRYWALL IS INSTALLED!

Nothing else makes sense.  So where is this water coming from?

And it's a lot of water!  Things are soaked.

We have had lots of rain and it was to continue raining, so they said, for a few days.

So this source of water has to be stopped.

Well, the roof over the fireplace/TV cavity has not been installed yet!

We were jammed into a very small time frame in order to do this inspection (the builder always makes it sound like there's simply no time to do one), because he had "a very tight schedule to get the drywall done."

WELL, I DON'T THINK SO!

And if roofing is quickly placed on top of that little fireplace area and that cavity is sealed with drywall, a lot of moisture will be sealed with it.

AND THAT WILL LEAD TO THE ENCOURAGEMENT, IF NOT DEVELOPMENT, OF MICROBIAL GROWTH SUCH AS MOLDS AND FUNGI.

I suggested to my clients, who should communicate to the builder, that because that area is vulnerable to moisture, and enclosed without access or air flow, that it be sprayed with an protective agent, like copper naphthenate, to help with any future mold issues.

Copper naphthenate is a wood preservative and protector.  It is essentially a knock off of what equine vets use to soak into medical wrappings around surgeries and infections on horses.  It makes the bandages impervious to water, and prevents microbial growth, so wounds can heal.  Builders are spraying a derivative of it now around the wood framing of basement walls, up about 2', to help control any moisture and discourage termites.  Termites won't touch it!

I have recommended it for years.

This little roof is on the back side of the house, and maybe they just didn't notice.  You have to finish the roofing before you can do the drywall!

I also discovered they had not yet put on the ridge vent cap on top of the roof.

So all in all, they are not ready for drywall!

My recommendation:  on pre-drywall inspections, things need to be done in order.  All phases that need to be completed, must be completed, before the next phase can begin.  When you and your clients are on a pre-drywall inspection, try to insure that things have been done in their proper order!  AND DON'T CLOSE IN MOISTURE BEHIND DRYWALL!


 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(45)

Jayson Holland
Listings.com - Denver, CO
Jay Holland

I learn something new every day. Thank you for the post on Copper naphthenate .  Sincerely appreciate it~!

Sep 27, 2011 04:08 AM
Tim Bradley
Contour Investment Properties - Jackson Hole, WY
Commercial Real Estate Expert in Jackson Hole, WY

Maybe they were using that new Chinese waterproof drywall? Hah!

Sep 27, 2011 04:19 AM
Karen Steed
Tallapoosa, Bremen, Waco, Buchanan, Temple, Carrollton - Tallapoosa, GA
Associate Broker Haralson Realty

I learn something new everyday.  The roof must be finished, before the drywall is installed...It is amazing to hear about the things you see.

Sep 27, 2011 05:13 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

I'm curious, wouldn't the city, county building inspector require the contractor to determine where the water came from and fix it prior to drywall installation? In your opinion, wouldn't the building inspector and the agency be liable for any future health or safety damages if mold was found after construction was completed?

Sep 27, 2011 05:41 AM
The Derrick Team - Indy Metro Realtors
Carpenter Realtors - Avon, IN
Your Pet Friendly Realtors

Is Copper naphthenate standard? I've seen shows where they used it but haven't noticed it on new builds around here. Should we recommend our clients ask for it on new builds?

Sep 27, 2011 05:51 AM
Beverly Femia
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Hampstead, NC
Broker Realtor Stager - Greater Wilmington, NC Are

Well, having spent my first 4 years working for a builder, I'm a big fan of those pre-drywall inspections for reasons like this situation.  At it's best, building is organized chaos.  Builders should welcome inspections but they rarely do.  

Sep 27, 2011 08:12 AM
Michael Singh,Broker
Singh Real Estate - Corral de Tierra, CA

Where was the building inpsector I thought the roof was suppose to be completed and signed off before any drywall is to be installed?  At least that is the process in this area.

Sep 27, 2011 11:02 AM
Alan Grizzle
Chestatee Real Estate - Dahlonega, GA
Full Time Realtor, Lifelong Resident of Dahlonega
I am glad to see new construction selling. Good thing the buyer has you keeping an eye on the orogress.
Sep 27, 2011 11:40 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I agree Jim.  Here they tape the windows, Tyvek the sides, put on the roof and start rocking.  They usually have the siding flow charted at the same time, but not always.

I hear that Marshall!  That PDF is the same as in my post.  Click on the blue!  I have been using it at my house for a long time, and recommending it to builders.  Nobody has listened really, but some use it in the basement.

David - real time is money!  Must save time!

Jayson - that's the same PDF in my post.  Click on the blue.

Sep 27, 2011 01:21 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I hear that's great stuff Tim!  And aromatic to boot.

Karen - glad you got that order correct!  It's important...

Kimo - they didn't have the finals yet, but it's a good bet the county wouldn't see this.

Derrick Team - standard?  Nooooo.  You can recommend it to builders.  Use my link!

 

Sep 27, 2011 01:23 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They sure don't in my experience Beverly.  I wish we were more in sync, but alas, we are not!

Michael - I don' think they've been by yet.  They made us think the drywall was going up 15 minutes after we got there, but when I arrived I knew they weren't that far along!

Alan - we have so many gubment employees around here new construction is always in the works.

Sep 27, 2011 01:26 PM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

Jay - You need to do a post about that copper naphthenate so we all can learn about it.    Seems not very many of us know much about it.   Great feature!

Sep 27, 2011 08:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I actually have to do a repair at my house Dagny, and when I do I will use the stuff!  I'll talk more about it then.

Sep 27, 2011 10:51 PM
Phil Amodeo ABR,CRS,e-PRO,SFR
C21 Scheetz - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Geist, Indianapolis North

 

Good post, Jay.

Regarding building inspections, many cities allow "windshield inspections" where they only drive by homes under construction with builders who have a generally good track record. Even if they walk though the house, they may only take a cursory look at some of the items on their checklist. In that case, it would be easy to overlook missing roofing over the fireplace if everything else appears to be OK.

I'm not suggesting that these practices are desirable, but the inspectors are on a tight time frame and tend to be overburdened, too. More reason for the buyer to employ a home inspector during the construction process.

Sep 28, 2011 02:51 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Wow, I guess they are in a hurry to drywall but you have to completely finish other things first to do it right. Sounds like a bunch of bone heads.

Sep 28, 2011 04:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I don't think that happens around here Phil.  This particular county has different inspectors for each different system and insulation.  But I don't think they were that far along yet.

Lyn - they surely had things to finish before the drywall!  I think they were on track, just making us think they were further along so maybe the buyer would back off the inspection.

Sep 28, 2011 10:11 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

One of the biggest problems with construction that leads to litigation is a work schedule that has things done out of order.  It is very much a management problem.

Sep 28, 2011 11:11 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gene - hopefully all is done properly now and things are dry so they can drywall.  But I still recommended the copper naphthenate!

Sep 28, 2011 11:14 AM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

Nice catch. I'm not sure copper naphthenate is allowed on Oregon anymore. I have not seen it in years. And it sure worked!

Oct 07, 2012 02:14 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You found an oldie but a goodie Wayne.  They use a watered-down version of copper around here, which has the naph in it.

Oct 07, 2012 06:35 PM