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The Price of the Housing Depression

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Industry Observer

Some folks feel that the worst is behind us in the housing depression, and it may be true.  But, just as in war waged for the usual poor excuses, the carnage left behind is and will be ignored.  I have offered many times that there is at least a half generation that has been left to face a life of failed home ownership, ownership that will never be revisited by many of them.

Families that bought starter homes in the mid 2000's saw their homes' values drop to the point that they will not amortize out of negative equity for a double digit number of years.  Many have physically outgrown their small starter homes that we urged them to buy, and many will only become physically comfortable when their children grow up and leave.  This is the shameful legacy that both the housing and lending industry and the government are doing their best to ignore.

Just as an unemployed, poverty stricken father will resort to stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family, many distraught homeowners have resorted to walking away from homes they can't afford to sell and can't continue to occupy.  Is the morality of strategic default able to be rationalized?  Perhaps it is.

Whether it is right or wrong, the results of strategic default are hard to ignore.  In many situations the result is more desirable than the alternative, and it is a very smart result.  While I cannot advise anyone to walk away from debt, it is certainly understandable that many will make that decision. 

Posted by

 Mike Carlier  Lakeville, MN

 

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Lynn Pineda
eXp Realty - Boca Raton, FL
Real Estate Promises delivered in SE Florida

Mike, when one is faced with desperation they can do things that perhaps they would not "normally" do had they not been faced with such a never winning scenario. What is the right thing to do is the question where both sides of the issue can be debated. A tough issue which is probably why there will likely never be an effective way in which to resolve to suit everybody.

Aug 12, 2012 05:41 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Lynn, I feel that the issue will be resolved with the passage of time.  Eventually all those suffering will die.  They are just collateral damage having little visible effect on the government or the housing and lending industry.  The folks I'm referring to have not been financially mortally wounded, just chronically in housing distress.  It appears that almost nobody cares.

Aug 12, 2012 07:45 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Mike, it's true, no one cares, but a few of us. The banks could care less, and you're right the government sweeps it under the rug, news media talks only how "home sales are up." I think you've termed it correctly, this is a housing depression.

Aug 12, 2012 05:53 PM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Over the years, our government and probably many others have left a trail of human ruin in their path.  It is about the only thing in which both parties have managed to consistently managed to collaborate.  What frustrates me is that there are inexpensive, cost effective ways to mitigate.  Again, nobody cares, choosing instead to argue about how to raise taxes with nobody noticing and whether or not to tolerate same sex marriages. 

Aug 12, 2012 11:35 PM
Clifford Wilson
Ehlers Realty - Ocala, FL

There will be many losers in this war on the housing industry. The battle over home ownership started when someone thought everyone should have an equal opportunity to own a home, no matter what their economic situation.  The collateral damage is reflective of the unintended consequences.  It will take a generation to repair the damage.  While all of that is going on we need to learn to dance in the rain.   Be a Raindancer.

Aug 12, 2012 11:51 PM
Linda Metallo DiBenardo
RE/MAX Impact, Lockport, Illinois - Lockport, IL

Underwater homeowners need a reduction in principal.  A free Harp re-finance is swell, but the the homeowner is still paying off on a home that is unlikely to regain it's original value.  And they are paying taxes, insurance and maintenance on a home they can't sell.  

Is the worse behind us?  IMO there is much more still to come.   Thanks for starting the dialogue on this Mike, there is much that needs to be said that is getting swept under the rug.

Aug 12, 2012 11:51 PM
Doug Rogers
RE/MAX Coastal Properties - Destin, FL
Your Real Estate Resource!

I sure hope we are in recovery mode. That would be a blessing!

 

Aug 13, 2012 12:12 AM
Gail Robinson
William Raveis Real Estate - Southport, CT
CRS, GRI, e-PRO Fairfield County, CT

The value was never truly there during the run up of prices from 2000-2006.  Anyone who bought during that time should be allowed a principal reduction in line with current prices.  I know people who have two children living in an 850 SF condo in a third floor walk up (try doing that with two strollers).  This was supposed to be their starter home, but has turned into their nightmare.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are still refusing to do principal reductions.  Why?

Aug 13, 2012 12:28 AM
Tamara Elliott-Deering
Central Metro Realty - Austin, TX

I agree that some people bought at the height of the bubble and they may not see their value return.  However, if they purchased a house that they could afford and they can still afford it, I feel that it's wrong to abandon their obligations and leave the rest of us holding the bag.  Here's to a return of rationality in the market.

 

Aug 13, 2012 12:42 AM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

I agree that an strategic Default should be considered based on your own personal reasons and not because the banks deserve them . . 

 

Aug 13, 2012 01:47 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Clifford, thank you for reading and commenting.  There were many folks who were renters with delusions.  They have been mostly returned to their original arrangements through the foreclosure process.  They got to live in a home they couldn't afford until reality and the lenders caught up with them.  They may have been victims, maybe not.

Linda, everyone needs a reduction of principal.  That's what the amortization tables are for.  What would be possible if there were a sensible lending industry, sensible regulators, and a sensible Congress is a plan to work the balance down more rapidly than the standard am. table.  Homeowners who are otherwise creditworthy and capable of a higher monthly payment could, in some circumstances, be allowed to port their debt to more suitable and desirable homes.  Others who are underwater and happy where they are now living could be offered a temporary reduction in interest rates in exchange for a higher monthly payment, all excess toward accelerated principal reduction.  Too bad it will never happen.

Doug, recovery mode will only be significant for current homebuyers.  It would seem like a blessing, but the curse of the depression will continue for a half generation of current homeowners for years.

 

Aug 13, 2012 02:02 AM
William Blackburn
Blackburn Coastal Realty - Redington Shores, FL
Blackburn Coastal Realty, We work at the beach.

Great wealth transfers have been with us since the beginning of time.  Each has had its own "reason" but the bottom line is that once change really starts to swing high (or low) then we are near another cycle.  The players change roles and many are left behind trying to figure out who did this to them.  We always do it to ourselves with a lot of cheering from the sidelines.  Rember the "American Dream"?  It is one of the longer term trends starting right after WWII and ending with Credit Default Swaps at the final "top" in 2008.  Housing has returned to be an item of consumption along with lifestyle preference relative to what the buyer can afford, like food. 

Aug 13, 2012 02:03 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Gail, unfortunately nobody cares about that part of America.  There are alternatives to arbitrarily forgiving a portion of a debt.  Too bad there are no innovative lenders.  Also too bad there are no productive elected officials.

Tamara, consider a couple buying their starter home in 2005.  Now the couple has three kids and two bedrooms.  In a few years their soon to be teenage daughter gets to share a bedroom with her two younger brothers.  The family can afford a substantially higher monthly payment and even has enough in the bank for a decent downpayment.  They don't have the 50K to bring to closing, and they probably won't have it before the kids start to leave for college.  I suppose they could sell a couple kids to the Pirates.  Their only "honorable" course is to rent their place out and find a nice rental with more space.  They can join the ranks of tenant-landlords.  Yippee!

Fernando,  I believe that owners have to make decisions based on what is the most perceived beneficial outcome for them and their families.  It would be difficult to fault the character of someone doing their best for their family.

 

Aug 13, 2012 02:15 AM
Steve Higgins
RE/MAX Kelowna - Kelowna, BC

Mike,

Very interesting post. I think that a lot of this could have been avoided.  It was the attitude that I want it and I want it now, not if I can afford it and not thinking of what can happen tomorrow. I showed a place the other day were the owners walked away from and even left the brand new car sitting in the driveway. It really is sad.

Aug 13, 2012 02:24 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

William, thank you for your comments.  As you indicate, there are casualties, and we are all responsible for our own actions.  Of course, that may make a case for walking away from a home one no longer finds useful.  With just a little imagination and execution on the part of lenders and government, millions of homeowners who were underwater a few years ago could be seeing light at the end of the tunnel.  that's real light, not the light indicating an oncoming train wreck. 

In his farewell address to the American people Dwight Eisenhower spoke of the horror an lingering sadness of war.  Many soldiers returning from battle suffer mental and emotionsl trauma for the rest of their lives.  That trauma is seldom considered in "pricing out" the cost of a war.  The main reason is that those people are simply forgotten.  They have arms and legs and maybe are able to hold a job.  Nobody cares that their lives have been disabled to a substantial degree.  Likewise, but certainly to a much lesser degree, a generation of people you and I encouraged to buy a starter home have suffered severe financial harm.  We have a strategy for dealing with both the soldiers and the distressed homeowners -- forget them, ignore them, and eventually they will live out their lives.  The problem will pass with them.

Aug 13, 2012 02:35 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Mike:  Talk about a complex problem and issue.  There are definitely two distinct sides to this issue.  There are those that bottomline ... overspent.  And then there are those that acted in good faith and got caught in the middle of a very bad situation.  Just as credit and mortgages is evaluated on very specific personal information, so should be our reactions to the fallout of this mess.  Neither reaction should influence how it's resolved.  Something must be done.  But until greed is no longer approved of or valued by stockholders and CEO's of the banks, we won't see the correct or humane steps taken. 

Gene

Aug 13, 2012 02:42 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Gene, what continues to annoy me is that the low cost solutions are not even being considered.  No solution fits everyone, but there are some steps that could be taken that would be helpful.  Again, it would involve a little imagination and cooperation among lenders, regulators, and the two Houses of Donothing in Washington.  The chosen solution, ignore the problem, actually will work in time.  The problem gets a little smaller each day as some folks walk away, others inherit a few bucks or win the lottery, and some simply assume room temperature. 

Aug 13, 2012 03:29 AM
Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

The biggest challenge I see with walking away in this area is that rents are so high...unless your crashing with parents or somewhere cheap your not gaining much in housing savings.

Aug 13, 2012 04:47 AM
Jeanne Gregory
RE/MAX Southwest - Sugar Land, TX

"a little imagination and cooperation among lenders, regulators and two Houses of Donothing in Washington"  In order to get that you have to sprinkle some fairy dust far and wide.  We were all like lemmings in the past-"gotta buy a house" "gotta become a realtor", "gotta become a loan officer", "HGTV says I can make thousands on flipping houses, All I have to do is breathe to get the money, etc, etc."  Now we are paying the price.  Agreed, some folks are stuck in houses that are too small, too big, not located where they now work or in a declining neighborhood.  Of course we could work this out, but the lenders can't find their butt with both hands and the government can't even find their hands.  

Aug 13, 2012 05:31 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Chuck, that's why there is a large number of tenant-landlords in this area.  It's a fairly workable tactic for some.

Jeanne,  until the later part of the 2000 decade, we were encouraging first time buyers to get into the game as soon as possible to hedge against the rapid increases in home prices.  They listened to us and are still in their starter homes.  In this current war on business, we're seeing large corporate real estate owners renting to the proletariat.  Maybe an unintended consequence of this administration's behavior.  At any rate, the folks in distress will go away if we just don't think about them. 

Aug 13, 2012 06:20 AM