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There's Nothing Like A Cooling Facial When Entering An Attic Space

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I have to say, there's nothing like a cooling facial when entering an attic space.

Alright, it wasn't a really hot day, but very sunny and the attic space heated up nicely.  The blast of cool air on my face was welcome!

Looking to my left I saw why.

The "brand new" HVAC system had a long trunk in the attic, and attached to it were many smaller ducts going off to each side to service the upstairs rooms.

It was well done, as far as design goes.

But in such a design the connections are very, very relevant, especially long term.

This service duct has only been attached a short while!  How will the other ones act long term?

What's the basic problem?

See the metal teeth?  That is a connector, designed to fit efficiently and firmly into the side of the metal service trunk.

Once that inter-locking connection is made, and then taped, the insulated duct can be attached.  Usually those smaller ducts are attached with ratcheting nylon straps.

When well done, it is strong and long lasting.

The tape isn't used to connect.  It is used to seal holes from leakage.

In this case, the teeth and trunk were never interlocked.  The taped connection (and, wow, at least they used aluminum tape, NOT duct tape!) was not enough to handle air pressure and the whole thing popped off.  I felt one more nearby and it was similarly taped.  I could not feel the interlocking connection.  I could feel tape!

Well, at least this attic won't be as hot in the summer and as cold in the winter as, oh, mine for instance!  Unintended consequence, but at least there's some benefit here!   

I'm joking of course.  It's a

BIG BUMMER!

Now a PROFESSIONAL will have to get in there, remove all the connections, and do it right!  How fun!  I love attic spaces too!

My recommendation:  it's the same old, same old.  Just because it's new doesn't mean it is right.  And how do we find out if it's right, class?  Exactly!  We call a home inspector.  He will give you an objective and honest assessment.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(59)

Rob Renk
Center Street Lending - McKinney, TX
AE | Fast Fix/Flip Loans for Residential Investors

Thanks for the tips on what to look for.  I love when inspectors share their experience and expertise.

Oct 20, 2012 03:12 AM
Justin Dibbs
Fairway Independent Mortgage - Ashburn, VA
Mortgage Advisor

Nothing like paying good money to cool your attic space, lol.

Oct 20, 2012 04:32 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Got to love the HVAC guys. I had a fun one just yesterday with issues on main trunk line.

Oct 20, 2012 04:39 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Jay, if only all inspectors were as knowledgeable, as you are!  You teach us so much here in the Rain.

Oct 20, 2012 05:17 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Jay, you do run into the most interesting problems. This one is scary - makes you wonder if anything that crew did was right.

Oct 20, 2012 05:49 AM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

The really sad part is if it hadn't separated before you got there it would have been your fault later when it did. "How could you have missed that, blah, blah........."

Oct 20, 2012 07:59 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gary - I think it is the next level.  That unit heats too!

Lyn - and we all know what happens when we assume!

Clint - they do know.  They try to get away with quick and easy.

It was considerate Margaret.  Should I have left a thank you note?

Oct 20, 2012 10:11 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I'm glad you do Travis!  That's one of AR's many benefits.

No doubt Doreen.  And it will lose heat in winter!

Cyndi - especially when the owner is the installer!  We call that "busted!"

Bob - attics can be hard!  I had one 165F last summer!

 

Oct 20, 2012 10:12 AM
Andrew Herren
Craig Massee Real Estate - Milledgeville, GA

I have yet to see a system pass the new energy/building codes that didn't have all connections sealed with mastic. Duct tape is horrible, but aluminum tape will dry out the same way and often fail. When attaching flex to hard pipe, this means mastic under the duct itself and not on top of the insulation!

Oct 20, 2012 10:49 AM
Dorte Engel
RE/MAX Leading Edge - Bowie, MD
ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland

Dear Jay,

That is why we hire the likes of you to figure these things out. I am always amazed at the creativity of some contractors. Maybe these were Monday morning or Friday afternoon ducts.

Oct 20, 2012 01:47 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Right Andrew.  The tape is merely to seal gaps, not make attachments.

Dorte - I happen to know who the contractor is and they are this contractors' ducts!

Oct 20, 2012 09:01 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Terkel - it isn't!  And good thing the hole opened up where it did, because the space was such that I could not get everywhere!

Karen - this is newly installed and sure didn't last long!  With reason.  Great new photo, by the way.

Lynn - I couldn't agree more!  And I like being the inspector!

Rafi - kind and considerate, for sure!  Even in the winter - nobody should be too cold up there!

 

Oct 20, 2012 09:05 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And I'm glad you do Rob!  Stop by any time.  I learn a lot on AR.

Justin - it's just another room after all.  The biggest in the house, but just another room...

Don - did you crawl in to have a look?  Photo, photo!

Sharon - the guys you read on the AR site surely are.  I think there is a good collection of inspectors on this site.

Oct 20, 2012 09:07 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Marte - and you have seen this SAME house lately in a couple of posts!

Marshall - you got that right!  "It's right beside the attic entrance.  How did you miss it??!!"  I would have said that I couldn't have missed it! 

Oct 20, 2012 09:08 PM
Goran Utvic
Goran Utvic Real Estate Broker/Construction Consultant - Chicago, IL
Chicago 2 Flat Specialist

Good job Jay...most homeowners never go up in the attic and if it wasn't caught on inspection it would have costed the new owners lots of wasted energy/money!

Oct 21, 2012 06:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

A lot of money for sure Goran!  And they would have not known better, thinking their bills were normal.

Oct 21, 2012 07:00 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Nothing like a comfortable work space.  Just proves you should always get a home inspection.

Oct 25, 2012 05:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I like a comfy work place Gene, and appreciated this very much!

Oct 25, 2012 07:19 AM
Brad Baylor
ERA Coup Agency - Milton, PA

Jay - Just be glad you weren't the one paying this guy's electricity bill.  LOL

Oct 26, 2012 01:12 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I am too Brad!  Who knows how long this had gone on!

Oct 26, 2012 01:55 AM