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Is Pre-drilling Screw Holes On Doors Really That Important?

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

This is brand new construction - is pre-drilling screw holes on doors really that important?

Most of the doors in the house were like this.  They are cracked at the strike plate.

On the door of a double door, and on the side wall of the door framing, the wood was cracked at the strike plates.

Why?

Two reasons:

1.  No hole was pre-drilled to accommodate the screws.  Even a very small hole will prevent the wood from opening up and cracking.  Simple, but pre-drilling a hole is important.

2.  The screws have been over tightened.  Why?  Amateur work.

Some doors are like this, some worse.  And it is nearly every door in the house.

What will happen over time to this cracking?

Likely it will grow.  The door or the framing will become weaker.

And the strike plates become loose.

I happen to see loose strike plates all the time.  And this is why.

Yes, pre-drilling is an extra step. 
Yes, knowing how to tighten the screws properly takes extra care.
Yes, a person who doesn't do these things is less than professional.  Or ignorant.

Ignorant of what?  Basic carpentry techniques.

IF I WAS ASKED TO SAY WHAT I THINK IS THE SINGLE MOST-COMMON PROBLEM WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION I WOULD ANSWER IT WITH ONE SHORT PHRASE:

A LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM OR BASIC UNDERSTANDING.

People are paying a lot of money for a new house.  They are satisfying dreams.  They are looking forward to a future there where memories are established, children are raised, and life happens.  In some cases families have saved for years to make this purchase.

Sometimes what I find are not major things, but a multiplicity of problems that were created by someone who doesn't care, doesn't know, doesn't understand, or is following instructions.  What does this mean?

A LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM OR BASIC UNDERSTANDING.

On this particular house the buyers were there one rainy day to notice water dripping down from a light fixture.  Calling the supervisor he did not believe them.  Going upstairs to see why a small section of roof above this point had nails driven through shingles.  The nails were exposed and driven THROUGH the shingles!

What had happened was during a high wind storm the shingles had blown up and were loose.  So the "fix" was to hold them down more tightly, with nails.  What does this mean?

A LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM OR BASIC UNDERSTANDING.

During our inspection, because this small roof was visible and available, I took the screen off the window to stand on what I could see was a dimple in the roof.  It squished hugely.  Obviously it was rotten.  Just below this spongy, dangerously-weak spot was the light through which the water had been leaking.

Yes, the supervisor did eventually see the leaking and the nails through the shingles above.  He had those shingles replaced.  But nothing was done about what was obviously a soft area on the roof!  The "roofer"  nailed new shingles over what was obviously soft wood!!  The size of the soft area was about 1.5' x 2'. 

Why would any roofer do that?  I said it above -- because he "doesn't care, doesn't know, doesn't understand, or is following instructions."  What does this mean?

A LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM OR BASIC UNDERSTANDING.

Well, they will be fixing this now!  I also suggested that the insulation inside the ceiling that got wet be investigated and likely replaced.  The real repair is more than nailing on new shingles!!

My recommendation:  be aware!  Be smart!  Be in charge!  It's your house!  You are the boss!  And don't ever, ever, ever buy the weak and senseless line that "you don't need a home inspector.  The house has already had dozens of inspections."  That is a practiced, empty, myopic builder line intended to intimidate you.  Keep your antenna high.  And hire a home inspector.  Your Best Practice.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(47)

Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Sounds like somebody would be crazy to buy a home in your area.

Apr 21, 2014 04:00 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

I would be pretty annoyed if this is new construction. What is going to show up a year down the road?

Apr 21, 2014 05:31 AM
Tom White
Franklin Homes Realty LLC (615) 495-0752 or www.FranklinHomesRealty.com - Franklin, TN
Franklin Homes Realty LLC, Franklin TN

Jay, ouch, these are some tough examples to read about. Unfortunately, when how fast we can do it replaces how good a job can I do--we have big problems!

Apr 21, 2014 05:55 AM
Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
Your Montgomery County PA home stager

Skipping the basics will only lead to problems down the line. Do the job right the first time!

Apr 21, 2014 07:54 AM
Rod Pierson
Wilson Realty Inc - Redding, CA
Northern California - An Agent you can trust
Jay great post, you are absolutely correct, most assembly apprentices as I won't call them carpenters is looking for the quickest way, some interior is piece meal. So the more they can bang out the more bucks they make, but with the quick flip around screw but / drill bit accessories for cordless. Old carpenters with hand drills and brace and bit would pre drill, same thing as taking another step with nails and putting a blunt tip to avoid splitting. Some need more education with an older craftsman which are fewer and fewer. I have built several large custom specs and the finish shows off the house, but a straight framed house helps too.
Apr 21, 2014 09:33 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jay - This is a very informative post and one which is very important.  You raise many valid points.

 

 FYI

My recommendation:  be aware!  Be smart!  Be in charge!

 

Apr 21, 2014 12:58 PM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ

Jay, I agree with everyone else.  Skipping these basic steps will only lead to a weaker door down the future and that's not acceptable.  Be present during construction and make sure you get an inspection!

Apr 21, 2014 03:30 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher
There may be some weird psychological aesthetics associated with that, but I get the frustration of it for absolutely certain. Love and light, Laura
Apr 21, 2014 04:31 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Keith - that should cover it!

You are right about the first part Bruce.  I'm not sure I get the second part - that is EXACTLY the type of people we DON'T want in our homes, so the job security would have to be earned.

Richie - your change in mind came with an understanding brought by experience.

Gary - common sense, and good sense, lack for sure.

Like you say Michael, a lack of understanding!

Apr 21, 2014 07:40 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Charlie - your first sentence accurately describes my beef with using 7-11 Construction on job sites.  Your second and third sentences accurately describe my beef with using 7-11 Construction on job sites.  To the right is a foot print that was made in wet poly when they finished the stairs (tomorrow's blog).  There is one in every stair.  He took his shoes off so it wouldn't be so visible.  There are left and right foot imprints.  There are shoe footprints in the sidewalk in front however!  These guys are good.

Morgan - see comment to Charlie above.  But this buyer and I have had many conversations since.  Today is their walk through with the builder and they have a long list of things as you describe.

Chris - you hit on another thing in this house!  Do you hear the ringing?  I will mail you the kupie doll.

Debbie - see photo above!

Joe - apparently you don't have the, um, problem there that we have here.  Would the word "overrun" make sense?

 

Apr 21, 2014 07:51 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I don't know Robert.  I am happy to pay for quality.  I have always bought our kids' bikes at the local small bike shops and not Costco or WalMart.  They are better bikes and put together right.  That extra quality does cost more though.  Tell me, why do Apple products, or Bose products, never go on sale?  And yet are sold out completely.

Suzanne - around here the smartest thing is to get a really cute home inspector.

Than - LAUGH!  The buyers said the cracks were more visible, but they painted them three times to make them disappear!

Dwight - and builders pass off the idea that inspections aren't needed.  This kind of crap work is unforgivable.

Richard - the house is the house.  Get a good home inspector and your bases are much better covered.  Pre-drywall and final inspections are essential.

Apr 21, 2014 07:56 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Bill - 15 years ago I was saying that all these guys sweeping and cleaning up will soon be into the trades, and when that happens we are screwed.  Guess what...

Tom - see comment to Bill above, and the photo to Charlie above that.  This is horrendous.  I could put out a dozen blogs on this house alone.

You would think Suzanne.  But no.  No time now!  Maybe we can come back later and spend more time fixing it.

Rod - I have been on this soap box screaming and whining for years.  And things are getting worse.  7-11 Construction is my sarcastic phrase.

Thanks Joan.  But cutting to the chase doesn't solve the problem here!

Apr 21, 2014 08:00 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Jack - see my comment above to Charlie, and to Bill.  Things are getting worse.

Laura - the integrity of the doors is compromised, it isn't merely aesthetics.  But I will grant you - MY psychology is affected!

Apr 21, 2014 08:01 PM
Greg Large
ERA Real Solutions - Grove City, OH
A Tradition of Trust

If they don't take the time to do the LITTLE things right, makes me wonder about the big things!  You just can't fake a quality job.

Apr 21, 2014 10:33 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I did wonder Greg, and there were lots of big things!

Apr 22, 2014 03:05 AM
Shelley Rowton
Move To Realty - Austin, TX
ABR, RSPS - (512) 507-5779 MoveToRealty of Austin

I've done enough projects to know that predrilling actually saves time!  You can always spot one that isn't, and know that they were using an automatic screwdriver until it started skipping and stripping the screw!

Apr 22, 2014 06:26 AM
Jasmin Henderson
Sicklerville, NJ

Jay - Thank you for sharing those tips. It's obvious that you care about your profession and your clients. 

Greg - I agree 1000% yes 1000%. I've seen a great deal of "little things" in new construction and in Flips that were not completed in a professional or caring manner. 

Apr 22, 2014 06:27 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Shelley - to me it's a no brainer.  But I was trained right.

Jasmin - I really do!  And Flippers don't like me...

Apr 22, 2014 07:43 AM
Robert Rauf
CMG Home Loans - Toms River, NJ

I agree with you, price isnt everything, but unfortunately many people think that way... and dont get me started with the bikes, I worked my way through college working at a bike shop, there is a pretty big difference on the bikes and and even bigger difference on the truly professional assembly

Apr 23, 2014 03:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Glad to hear that Robert!  I have always found the local bike shops to be knowledgeable, professional, and eager to please me.  And I have lifetime tune ups on bikes purchased.

But, yes, price matters, but professionalism matters more.

Apr 23, 2014 06:58 AM