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This Sink Guy Was No Trap-Ease Artist

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I love watching the athletes do their performances on the trapeze, but this sink guy was no trap-ease artist.

Water can't be expected to flow up.  It will with pressure from one end when forced.  But not in a drain situation.  Drainage will only go down to the level the weight of the water will settle to and stay.

But not up from there!

According to the feature list this is a "New Dishwasher, Disposal and Kitchen Sink!"  (happy dance)

This drain arrangement expects the water to flow up from the lower red dot to the upper red dot!

That blue line represents the level at which the water settles and stays.

So, there is always water in the disposal.

When you look into the sink drain you can see the water sitting in the disposal.

The amount of water sitting in that drain now is the same amount that always stays.

When water is running into the disposal only as much as goes in will go out.

My client asked, "What does that mean?"

It means water will back up into the sink on the other side.

To answer I said, "Watch what happens when I force the dishwasher to discharge its water.  See how the dishwasher drain tube goes right into the disposal?"

So, pushing the 'Cancel' button on the dishwasher, we just watched.

As the dishwasher let go of its full load, the sink on the left side filled up with some very interesting stuff.

"Imagine what this will look like when you are living in the house and food stuff is going down the disposal and coming out of the dishwasher.  And, imagine what kind of yum-yum is always sitting in your disposal and drain waiting for the next time you turn the water on or run the dishwasher.  What do you think that will begin to smell like soon?"

Her response was what I expected, "Oh, yuck!"

Then, thinking further, "Will I smell sewer gas?"

So, we sat down together in front of the sink and with flashlight and finger I explained how this had to be completely reconfigured so that the disposal discharges into the drain higher than the convenient second trap.

"Properly done you won't smell sewer gases."

That red dot is the same place as the high red dot on the first photo.  So a proper trap arrangement is possible.

She felt better knowing that.  "What does the drain need now?" 

"A professional plumber..."  Always a Best Practice.

My recommendation:  traps want water to easily flow, and downward.  Hopefully what remains is clean water!  Sometimes I can look under a sink and predict what will happen.  That's always a great object lesson for my clients.  It can get yucky, to be sure, but it's a really fun class!

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(37)

Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Gravity is such a cruel weapon that often works against the do it yourselfer!

Apr 28, 2014 12:33 AM
Chuck Mixon
The Keyes Company - Cutler Bay, FL
Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR

Jay it seem amazing what you find in homes today, it always a challege to not smile in front of the customer when doing your job I am sure.

Apr 28, 2014 12:33 AM
Les & Sarah Oswald
Realty One Group - Eastvale, CA
Broker, Realtor and Investor

Hi Jay, I am surprised someone actually installed a drain like that. If I find out who did it I may run the other way. Thanks for the post.

Apr 28, 2014 12:53 AM
Denny McAuley
Home Check America Inspection Services - Hoffman Estates, IL

It's simply amazing how many of these types of incorrect plumbing issues are found during home inspections.  Is garbage dispsoal/dishwasher installation even taught any more?  

Great post as usual.

Apr 28, 2014 01:11 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Jay- to that, I can only say "ICK!"

Apr 28, 2014 02:00 AM
Catherine Ulrey
Keller Williams Capital City - Salem, OR
Equestrian and Acreage Property Specialist

Must have been the same plumber that initially installed my dishwasher.

Apr 28, 2014 03:11 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Every time they would come home after a few days away, the sewer smell in the kitchen would be awful. A home mechanic job for sure

Apr 28, 2014 04:12 AM
Robert Rauf
CMG Home Loans - Toms River, NJ

oops!  that has been on the Honey Do list for ages... dont worry Charlie 10 thumbs will get right on it.

Apr 28, 2014 04:19 AM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Jay - unless that was a home made job the person that did it should not be working.  Sometimes handymen do things like this.  It does not pay.

Apr 28, 2014 04:35 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

There is always a story but I think this one is a potential nightmare plus the disposal will probably retire early.

Apr 28, 2014 05:12 AM
Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

Anybody can install a dishwasher. I'll just a demonstration at Home Depot, and if i forget, I'll just google " Dishwasher Installations for Dummys". Being able to see the water back up sure got the point across!

Apr 28, 2014 06:53 AM
Tom White
Franklin Homes Realty LLC (615) 495-0752 or www.FranklinHomesRealty.com - Franklin, TN
Franklin Homes Realty LLC, Franklin TN

Jay, gravity's something we have to deal with everyday. What was that person thinking?

Apr 28, 2014 08:46 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Bruce - I have to think this guy thinks it is proper!

Corners Alan?  I don't see no stinkin' corners.

It did work Joan, until I showed up.  Somehow now it does not any longer.

It is a puzzle well done Charlie.  Now, where is that hip bone attached?

Richie - in this case, he should stay far away!

Apr 28, 2014 10:16 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I doubt one did Geoff.  Certainly the well-meaning friend or homeowner.

It was fun Scott.  Sitting on the floor showing my client where things need changing was a bit fun too. 

No think Than.  This show no think. 

Gravity works pretty well Gary.  A very consistent phenomenon.  You'd think people would understand it after a couple of years...

I had fun with this one Chuck.  It became a great plumbing lesson!

Apr 28, 2014 10:21 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

S&L - this is a serious installation!  Seriously deficienct, but serious!

Denny - don't know if it is taught, but it seems to me there are classes on everything at the home stores!

That would work Kathy.  Succint!

Catherine - it's nice of you to share!

Ed - I think the smell would get substantially worse over time.

 

 

Apr 28, 2014 10:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Never heard of that guy Robert, but he sounds like a problem getting all around!

Grant - if this guy is paid for work like this he will starve not long from now.

Bill - a nightmare for sure, or a short, scary story!

Jeff - I had fun showing that one to my client.  She was amazed that I could predict it.  Aw shucks.

You aren't asking me are you Tom?  I don't know, for sure!  It sure made for a great post!

Apr 28, 2014 10:34 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jay -- this is most interesting.  I always learn something new when I read your posts.

Apr 28, 2014 01:11 PM
Mike Cooper, Broker VA,WV
Cornerstone Business Group Inc - Winchester, VA
Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro

Blah, blah, blah. Don't eat on those dishes. I hope a plumber didn't do that. 

Apr 28, 2014 01:17 PM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

 Good morning, Jay. The folks need to learn how to train their water. As we all know, trained water will flow uphill.

Apr 28, 2014 07:08 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Joan - basic rule of plumbing -- make sure water flows downhill.  Nuff said!

Mike - maybe he was an electrician?

Michael - trained along with the flea circus. Maybe that's what the plate down there is for.

Apr 28, 2014 07:48 PM