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My CMA as evidence at a divorce hearing, Free opinion gets expensive

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Managing Real Estate Broker with Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., NHRE# 02863

  A nice couple purchased a place from me years ago, came back to me when it was time to sell, and upon completion of their sale once again purchased a primary home from me.

 So I have earned their trust, formed a relationship and would expect that in any future real estate business I would be consulted. As it turned out less than a year after the newest replacement property was purchased I was asked to supply an opinion of current market value. This opinion was done a year ago, and everyone not living under a rock knows what the market has been doing lately and also knows that banks and appraisers are requiring closed comps of less than six months old (at this point).

 The husband called me and said "hi Steve, you're on my soon to be ex-wife's witness list SO I put you on mine as well". Thank you?, what do you say I felt bad for them and then I started feeling bad for me. Who wants to be dragged to court and made a witness for one opinion of value that wouldn't have any meaning of true market value with the time that has passed since writing it. Will someone argue that they should have listed a year ago, can anyone say with any certainty it would have sold even if it was listed or am I going to be the center of some bad blood not brought on by my own actions?

 Can anyone offer me advice on how best to handle this situation (or ever better how to extricate myself from the fight that is brewing)?

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Roland Woodworth
Blue Cord Realty - Clarksville, TN
Blue Cord Realty
Ewww. how can anyone expect a year old CMA in todays market in many areas even start to hold water. Looks like a who gets what or pays what battle. Sorry I don't know the answer as I'm not a lawyer and will not pretend to be.
Apr 18, 2008 01:49 AM
Brian Schulman
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage, Lancaster PA - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster County PA RealEstate Expert 717-951-5552
Steve, no good deed goes unpunished!  I would consult with your broker, and also make use of your state legal real estate hotline if one is available.  Tell the truth.  Don't try to take one side or the other.  It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong.
Apr 18, 2008 01:52 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH
Thanks Roland I too think there is an agenda I'm not fully aware of, and that scares me a bit..Steve
Apr 18, 2008 01:52 AM
Rob Aubrey
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Show up=

      Physically- Dressed professionally and on time

      Emotionally- Don't be thinking about anything but the basic facts

Tell the truth-

      I am not suggestion you would lie, just tell the truth short and sweet. Your document was relevant at the time. It is not relevant today.

Don't be attached-

      You cannot win in this situation, so don't play, tell the truth with out emotion and let the chips fall where they fall.

 

Good luck

Apr 18, 2008 01:52 AM
Lorraine or Loretta Kratz
Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions. - San Marcos, CA
Certified Negotiation Consultants

Steve:

I do not know of a way to that you can extricate your self from this situation. Once legal proceeding have begun--- the issue with price -- should --- not be something that your feet are held to the flame over. As you state anyone that is not  living on another planet knows the market in most of the US is experiencing problems (challenges).

Apr 18, 2008 01:54 AM
Mary PAUL, ABR, CRS,GRI, e-PRO,
RE/MAX Advantage Realtors, Searcy, AR - Searcy, AR

Steve,

A year old CMA should be thrown out of court!  You will probally be contacted to do a new CMA, and if the court orders it to be sold, maybe you will get the listing.  I would definitely stay neutral to both parties!  Good luck!!

Apr 18, 2008 01:55 AM
Miriam Bernstei
Rochester, NY

Answer the questions you are asked, not volunteer anything and don't have any conversations with either of them.  Next you don't know the intent of the attorney's and why they are bringing you in with a year old CMA.  They know about the market and their intent could be something entirely different from what you are assuming.  Just answer the questions.

Apr 18, 2008 01:55 AM
Terry & Bonnie Westbrook
Westbrook Realty Broker-Owner - Grand Rapids, MI
Westbrook Realty - Grand Rapids Forest Hills MI Re
The good thing is most of the people involved with the case has to be aware of the recent economic news about housing and it won't be a surprise when the see values have reduced from when the cma was completed. Good Luck
Apr 18, 2008 01:55 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH
Andrew.. you are right on, but I'm not sure I'll get a pass for lack of evidence I'm suspicious it's going to be more than an old opinion of value, that I will be asked to comment on and I feel anything else is none of my business.Steve
Apr 18, 2008 01:56 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH
Brian.. the punishment part is what I'm concerned with not so much an ethical thing but more of getting dragged into someone else issue for a period of time that will cause me to miss work..and the potential to earn a living, a feel like a pawn in a game I didn't sign up for. Thanks for your comments.Steve
Apr 18, 2008 02:00 AM
Diane & Bob Arenholz
William RAVEIS Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Covering all of Westchester County, NY

Steve,

I just wanted to wish you the best of luck in this sticky situation.  These situations are never ones that we can anticipate or expect but all the more reason for us to keep detailed records!!! It might be a good idea to run a new CMA for this house so that you can explain the how the market has changed in the past year.  In addition it might be helpful to remind everyone involved that a CMA is used to determine the list price of a house but that does not mean that the price given is what the house will actually sell for!

Apr 18, 2008 02:03 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH

Rob Great advice If the facts speak for them selves than I should be in and out, to let the attorneys make more of my opinion may or may not be their strategy but you're right I wouldn't come to debate- just state and go!

 

Apr 18, 2008 02:04 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH

Lorraine & Loretta

You are so right, should I feel like a heal to be more concerned about the time lost at work, I'm trying not to but that is what is bothering me the most?

Apr 18, 2008 02:09 AM
Joyce Windschitl Hercules
Prime Mortgage - Chanhassen, MN
MN, FL, WI & CO Mortgage Consultant

I was referred a potential client going through a divorce who was suppose to refinance the house.  I cannot remember the specifics, but he could not afford the current payment, credit was awful.  It would have gone into a sub-prime loan with a much higher interest rate, and qualifying was iffy at best.  We discussed the options and implications - current mortgage and paying child support vs. higher mortgage and not affording child support, etc.  He does not refinance.

Needless to say, over a year later I receive a call that he needs me to come to court to testify.  I can barely remember him.  I refuse.  He needs me and will pay me for my testimony.  I refuse.  He begs and pleads.  I refuse.  He says, you leave me no option and my attorney has advised me that if I cannot get you willingly that he will subpoena you.  I tell him he won't find me - I'm going shopping at a mall (as I'm heading out the door talking on my cell phone)!  When I am almost at the mall, he finally gets to me that he really needs my help.  I finally agree and turn around and head home.

I put on a nice suit and go to the courthouse.  I see two ladies and wonder if that is his ex and her attorney.  I sit in a room for 2 hours talking with my client, and his attorney on and off as they are negotiating.  Finally the attorney comes back in the room and says they settled and profusely thanked me.  I said I didn't do anything.  He said I did - that they saw me and knew I was professional and were afraid to have me on the witness stand so it had become apparent the settling was in their best interest. 

The attorney and client both became clients of mine.  I have done the original clients mortgage twice, and he called me about two weeks ago that he was getting married and building a home on a lake - and he would like me to do the mortgage as he trusts me...

So, be professional...be honest...be compassionate....caring...and least of all smart as to when to say what and remember you can be subpoened.

Good luck.

Apr 18, 2008 02:29 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH
Joyce.. let me also thank you profusely.. all great info for me to feel better about the situation, I knew the A/R community could offer me Sage advise..Steve
Apr 18, 2008 03:06 AM
Jeff&Grace Safrin
F.C.Tucker 1st Team Real Estate - Valparaiso, IN
SpousesSellingHousesTM

Our local REALTOR board has an attourney on retainer - perhaps you could call yours and seek professional advice

Sincerely,

Grace

Apr 18, 2008 03:45 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH

Diane & Bob

thanks for the comforting words and good advice, you are right we were talking about an asking price at the time not a guarantee of transfer price..Thanks Steve

Apr 18, 2008 04:01 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH
Grace Thanks we have an attorney on retainer as well, and I not concerned with liability so much as the emotional drain of being put through someone Else's heart-ache. Thanks again for the comment. Steve
Apr 18, 2008 04:04 AM
Katherine Anderson
Coldwell Banker Hobin Realty, LLC - Hampton & Rye, NH, USA - Exeter, NH
Managing Broker
Steve:  If it were me, I'd check with the legal hotline and see if they can give you any advise at all.  Good luck.
Apr 18, 2008 06:47 AM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH

Katherine

I have spoken with my own attorney, and he advises me to not worry, I'm not an appraiser and only offered an opinion for possible pricing but that doesn't make me feel better about the couple both putting me on their witness list it's just sad. Thanks for the comments though

Apr 18, 2008 07:07 AM