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It’s a trap, a really big trap- Plumbing Inspections

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Home Inspector with NCW Home Inspections, LLC

It’s a trap, a really big trap- Plumbing Inspections in Wenatchee and Chelan Washington

Many times a homeowner will make a repair without really knowing what they are doing.

Simple enough, you watched a few shows on HGTV or the DIY channel and heck you are ready to take on that next home project.

Why pay a plumber, electrician or contractor to do something that you can do, and heck you get that warm fuzzy feeling and great satisfaction of being that tradesperson for the day. You may have even saved a buck or two.

There is one problem here… you don’t know what you don’t know.

                              Sink Assembly Chelan Real Estate Inspection

Here we have an example from a home inspection. This happy go lucky handyperson replaced the sink drain assembly. Problem is that this whole assembly is essentially a giant trap now. This is a clog waiting to happen.

                                  Improper Sink Assembly Wenatchee Home Inspection

Another issue is that they used one of those handy dandy accordion trap thingies (official term). I have always known that these were not an approved plumbing part but never verified it.

On my recent visit to the box store I grabbed the plumbing expert in the store who I know and we went and took a look at these. Of course he laughed knowing what I was doing.  So we grab some flex traps and search for the symbols that show this is approved by one of the governing bodies for plumbing, as I suspected no symbols.

Here is that flex trap tail, no symbol.

    Flex Trap Wenatchee Real Estate Inspection     Flex trap no UPC symbol Chelan Home Inspection

Here is the standard trap showing the UPC shield on it.

 

                               Trap with UPC Symbol Leavenworth Home Inspection

Here is a list of the North American Product markings for plumbing.North American Product Markings

There is an important lesson here. Just because it is sold in the box store does not mean that it is an approved product for the application. When in doubt ask a tradesperson or find the one expert in the store. Most of the box stores have a retired tradesperson on staff.

Now I am not against people learning a new trade, but you have to learn first. There is so much to learn when it comes to plumbing. I know there is so much I do not know. You can be in the trades for years and will never know it all.

I see a home inspection as a chance to help the homeowner learn a little something about this giant financial investment they about to make. I hope to leave them with a little better understanding of all those components that make us comfortable and safe in a home.

“If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.”

Red Adair

 

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Dana Basiliere
Rossi & Riina Real Estate - Williston, VT
Making deals "Happen"

Donald,

Good post.

I have seen a lot of home handy man work in my years as an agent. Some are worse than others. Plumbing seems to be an area that Mr. homeowner is not afraid to tackle because "what the heck, I cannot get shocked". Well no, but you can sure make a mess.

Oct 22, 2012 12:36 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Dana, I am always giving kudos to the plumbing trade. There is so much more to it than meets the eye (or nose ; ). True about getting shocked but boy you sure can make a mess when water is leaking everywhere.

Oct 22, 2012 12:52 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Excellent example.  Sadly, I had bad sink traps installed by a licensed plumber.

i laughed out loud at the Red Adair remark.  THAT is one job you don't want to DIY!!

Oct 22, 2012 08:39 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Lenn, Thank you. Yeah this was not your normal installation and needed a plumber attention.

Oct 22, 2012 09:19 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Ha!  I see that accordion thingee a lot!  What if they take a Sharpie and write "UPC" on the trap?  Does that count?

Oct 22, 2012 09:26 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

You gotta love the way the dishwasher drain is necessarilly full of water as well----it don't need no "stinkin" air gap

Oct 22, 2012 09:41 AM
Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

Great featured blog....just leave it to the professionals and save yourself allot of headaches and money.

Don't play plumber or electrician.

Oct 22, 2012 09:41 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

C'mon Charlie!  Look!  There are two air gaps it can choose from!

Oct 22, 2012 10:10 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, I see them too. On too high of percentage of homes. I think a sharpie works ; )

Charlie, I left that off for you to find ; ) 

Carl, Thank you. Them plumber may take a lot of jokes but a good one it well worth it.

Oct 22, 2012 10:52 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

It always amazes me when an owner tries to fix something... in an area where they know nothing about... and then are surprised when some calamity happens.  If you cannot pay the price to fix it right the first time... you are going to end up paying a whole lot more to clean up the mess, and then fix it right the second time.

Oct 22, 2012 12:26 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

I have seen some instances where, after several days of not using the dishwasher, but still running the disposal, and the water in the second sink as well, a build-up of dirty water ends up sitting in the bottom of the dishwasher.  What can cause that?  Any ideas or suggestions?

Oct 22, 2012 12:31 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Karen, It does happen quite often. Water leaks can cause a lot of damage. 

As for the dishwasher do you have an air gap or high loop? That shoudl stop the water from draining into the dishwasher.

 

 

 

Oct 22, 2012 12:42 PM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ
I sell real estate , I do not plumbing it always costume more
Oct 22, 2012 01:05 PM
Chuck Mixon
The Keyes Company - Cutler Bay, FL
Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR

Very good post your illustration's make your answer very clear.

Oct 22, 2012 01:20 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jack, I will do minor plumbing but I leave it to the pros for the most part.

Chuck, Thank you.

Oct 22, 2012 01:31 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Those traps are pretty common. I have never seen an air gap, at least I can not remember seeing one out here. The high loop is the method. That is when it is present. 

Oct 22, 2012 10:10 PM
Kim Burton
Iron Valley Real Estate Hanover - New Oxford, PA
Licensed Realtor in Maryland and Pennsylvania

Many have to live and learn.  

Oct 22, 2012 11:02 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, Yeah I see it all the time also. Standard verbiage on that one ; )

Oct 23, 2012 12:29 AM
Robert Sole
REM Inspections LLC - Winter Springs, FL

I found one the other day where the "accordian thingie" was actually used to make the trap.  Talk about a clog waiting to happen. 

Oct 24, 2012 04:28 AM