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CRACK IS WHACK! Foundation Issues Discovered During A Home Inspection

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CRACK IS WHACK! Foundation Issues Discovered During A Home Inspection

 

crackDuring a recent home inspection with a first time home buyer, there were several foundation cracks discovered underneath the house with one of them measuring over 6ft in length. The horror! If that weren’t enough, mold was found as well. Just shoot me. In a strange twist, my awesome 1st time buyer who had been looking for a home for over two months, really saw himself in this particular house and was not thwarted by the home inspection findings that would’ve scared most buyers away. Though we extensively discussed the many issues the inspector noted, the buyer quickly managed to get several contractor bids for the foundation and mold aspect of the repairs and though not an inexpensive project to say the least, not one so expensive and daunting to him that he was willing to walk away from the home he wanted in the area he desired without a fight…and a much needed seller concession.

After negotiating the terms to death with the seller, who coincidentally didn’t even live in the home, she was presented with the final option of paying less than 1/10 of the bill in out-of-pocket expenses (less than $700) in order for us to move forward. To further placate her during the sticky negotiations, both myself and the other agent had agreed to reduce our commissions to make up as much of the difference as possible to lower the seller’s out-of-pocket costs. Mind you the home had been purchased in the 60′s for less than $30K with no other sale or refinance on record. There were hundreds of thousands of net proceed dollars to be gained by the seller.

In the strangest twist of all, the seller still refused to re-negotiate the terms of the contract because she was selling “As-Is” and the buyer had agreed to a counter offer stating such.  Hm, but didn't she realize that in the same counter offer she and her listing agent had drawn up, they had not countered our 17-day inspection contingency time period and the actual verbiage stated seller wasn’t willing to pay for repairs? Contrary to popular belief and unless stated otherwise, that doesn't automatically mean the buyer has to. After things went extremely sour, I reminded the listing agent that all recently discovered material defects related to property would now have to be disclosed by both her and the seller to the next buyer if they should let the current one they have get away.  The buyer still had to pay before close of escrow: his down-payment, closing costs, and have reserve funds available to go towards the many other post-escrow repairs that were a priority (i.e. termite damage in the garage that contractors stated was buckling the structure, original electrical that couldn’t sufficiently sustain today’s modern technological usage, etc).  A rehab loan wasn't an option because it was more expensive and we were already at his max.  Regardless, the seller wouldn’t budge a centimeter over an amount equaling less than $700 and the listing agent had become hostile towards our side.  It was over, finito, fade to black, Ctrl+Alt+Delete. Wow.

I was extremely disappointed for my buyer who had bent over backwards to make this happen, but in some ways I was relieved as well. All money isn’t good money. All homes for sale are not good homes. As I told my buyer sometimes the home you want is not necessarily the home you need. This is a prime example of why every buyer, whether veteran or first time buyer, should always have a professional home inspection performed regardless of how “purty” a home looks or it’s age. Nor should a home buyer in my strong opinion ever forfeit their home inspection contingency as some do in a seller’s market. It’s with a thorough investigation of a property that a home buyer can make an informed decision in knowing when to move forward and when to step back. In this case, the buyer wasn’t willing to allow the home he wanted to fall through the cracks, unfortunately (or maybe in this case fortunately) the seller was! Buyer has moved on. NEXT!

 

UPDATE 2014:

Well after that ordeal buyers needed to take a break.  There was a wedding they were planning at the time so I completely understood. 

After the wedding, I called them up and we went looking and found a GORGEOUS home they are so happy with. NO foundation, plumbing, electrical issues!!  It was an investor flip in which even the home inspector was impressed with the quality of workmanship!

 




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Keith Whited
RE/MAX Gateway - Alexandria, VA

While I certainly agree that in this case the seller was an IDIOT I am also forced to ask how this transaction fell apart over a mere $700. While I understand that the purchaser and both realtors had already made concessions it seems to me in a transaction of this price ("There were hundreds of thousands of net proceed dollars to be gained by the seller.") the difference was small enough so that this deal shouldn't have fallen apart if the buyer really wanted this home.

If I was the listing agent I would want to get this seller OUT OF MY HAIR once and for all.

If I were the selling agent I would consider that that my client REALLY WANTED this home in addition to the fact that your time is worth money and you were going to be STARTING OVER with the process of finding a different home for your buyer who "had been looking for a home for over two months" to find this one.

If I were the buyer and THIS was the home I really wanted I would have to consider that if I had already conceded so much a tiny bit more wouldn't hurt all that much.

Seems to me that moving forward should have been worth $700 to any of the three parties but split three ways it would have been less that $250 each.

On the other hand - - I have been known to take a stand 'on principle' even though common sense and logic might dictate otherwise.

Dec 13, 2013 01:42 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

People really do not understand that "As Is" does not mean a lot in California.  It is a code for I do not plan on paying for anything (but it is all still negotiable after inspections.)

Dec 13, 2013 01:48 AM
Raymond Denton
Homesmart / Evergreen Realty - Irvine, CA
Irvine Realtor®

To me, people like the Seller are just plain "stupid" - and "stupid" can't be fixed.

Dec 13, 2013 02:00 AM
Jon Boyd
Home Buyer's Agent of Ann Arbor - Ann Arbor, MI
Ann Arbor Real Estate Buyers Agent

I'm glad you said it Keith. I was thinking it but didn't know how to approach the topic.

I always make sure the client understands I'm doing it for their benefit. (Which is a whole 'nother discussion.) But I hate to see things die if I think the transaction is good for the client.

Dec 13, 2013 02:01 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

I must say that in my 32 years as an agent, I have only once seen a foundation crack that length.  BUT, that house was slated for demolition, and was being sold at land value only.  However, I do know significant foundation issues can and have been remedied and repaired.  I had a sale of a wonderful home in an upscale area of Sacramento, awhile back.  The home had a well designed addition to it, BUT, the pilings beneath were domed rather than flat.  It could have made for an interesting ride during an earthquake.  A contractor came in, and poured additional concrete around those pilings.  I don't suspect thehouse is as vulnerable now!  Like you, however, I would really want a cost estimate for any such repair, before I would even remotely consider buying "as-is."

 

Dec 13, 2013 02:01 AM
Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

Hi Mike #52, I have to say that I'm a little surprised that with the buyer paying for more than 3/4ths of the REPAIR costs of mold and foundation that was not built into sales/accepted price that you would have agreed with the position of seller in not conceding to a mere $700 over as-is when hundreds of thousands of dollars of net proceeds would have been in their hands within weeks. This after agents, buyer have done everything they could.  The alternative is now disclosure and price that reflects it or fixing it themselves (more thousands out of pocket money) and relisting. Interesting...

Dec 13, 2013 02:11 AM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

Well to be quite honest as a general building and manufactured home contractor, dealer, developer, real estate broker, investor and property manager I wouldn't touch a home with foundation issues for myriad reasons.

For the past 30+ years one of our specialties has been foundation retrofitting, repair and replacement on single family homes, apartment buildings and Factory Built strutures be they residentail or commercial. 

Foundation issues are very relevent to the overall condition of the home from top to bottom. As the foundation goes so goes the structure. If you have cracks like the ones in the photo above and that was only one photo chances are that's not the only location you'll find them.

The reasons for these types of foundation displacements are many fold. First, you have expansive or sandy loam (soft soil) issues. Second, you may have inherent drainage issues. Or third, you may be in a zone 4 seismic area, which judging from your area codes you most probably are.

After the January 17, 1994 Northridge Earthquake event my company spent 3 years putting homes back up on their foundations from the SF Valley to Santa Barbars when and where possible.

It made me a lot of money but it cost homeowners, insurance companies and FEMA over 40 billion dollars. I continue to drive from my home in San Diego to projects in the Santa Maria area on a monthly basis and it continues to amaze me as to how many homes I still see boarded up or even scraped never to be rebuilt on many of the old neighborhoods I worked in.

In most cases when you have an apprecialbe amount of shifting and cracking in the foundation and stem wall it's a further indication of other structural strains and stresses i.e. buckled skirting, unlevel floors, cracks in the walls (dry wall especially) and ceiling. 

These types of problems can also lead to roof leaks and myriad items and issues that unfold over an extended period of time. Personally, I think you've done a big favor for both you and your client.

Dec 13, 2013 02:31 AM
Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

Keith #54 and Jon #57 - I can see how you would wonder that.  There were still thousands of dollars to be paid out in add'l repairs for buyer (i.e. as mentioned in original post, garage structure - no car could be parked in there without the threat of collapse as it was buckling from termite damage; in addition to that, bad plumbing and old electrical in the main house) that they simply didn't have the reserve funds for nor would they in the near future.  The home was a money pit and when the honeymoon phase wore off, which would have been very quickly, that buyer would most certainly have regretted it and in those cases no longer would think of the unreasonable seller or listing agent but tied me to the worse financial decision they had ever made in their lives and I hardly think that referrals would follow from them or friends/family who would see the drain and toll it would have taken on them.  I explained that we could take it that one step further but other than a plane dropping out of the sky and falling on the house, what MORE could they hear to get them to see the type of decision they were making in regards to pursuing this home.   When the seller wouldn't concede after everyone had bent over backyards and side-to-side, they knew it was time to walk and personally I'm glad they did. So for me, I felt it demonstrated more principle to keep buyer from making an extremely costly mistake at the expense of my getting a commission.  I have 100% client satisfaction record that no amount of commission is worth losing.  Oh and see answer #6. 

Gene #55 - YES EXACTLY!  Maybe it's a California thing. But then again there are over 50 comments most from other areas that agree. ; )

John #60- Yes, yes, yes to all that you said.  I absolutely agree! 

Dec 13, 2013 02:43 AM
Christi Farrington
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
~ Your representative in Fairfield County, CT

All I can say is 'Really'?  As you mentioned, now the Seller and Agent have to disclose this information to future possible Buyers.  What are they thinking?!  The right house is out there for your Buyer.  There is a reason for everything .... we just don't know what it may be at the time.   Thank you for a very interesting post!

Dec 13, 2013 03:24 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

I'm glad for your buyer that this did fall apart - a small disappointment now is better than years of headaches and expenses.

However, I'm curious. Was the house priced as a fixer?

Dec 13, 2013 03:47 AM
Kathy Opatka
RE/MAX CROSSROADS - Ocean City, MD
Serving Ocean City, MD, & The Delaware Beaches
In MHO, the Seller did the Buyer a HUGE favor by not selling him the house! One can only guess at what other unforeseen problems might be lurking in the walls of this structure! Foolish Seller equals lucky buyer! Please let us know if/when that house settles and what concessions were made. Kathy O
Dec 13, 2013 04:13 AM
Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

MANY Thanks for your comments and feedback in agreement and disagreement! 

Marte - NO it was not priced as a fixer.  In fact appraisal came back (without knowledge of foundation issues) at our offer price.  That's another reason why a buyer cannot rely simply on an appraisal because appraisers are not going underneath the house in many cases

 

Dec 13, 2013 04:33 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

As others have said, glad this deal fell apart -- better the deal . . . than the HOUSE (with your buyer in it!!)

Dec 13, 2013 05:11 AM
Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

Amen Carla!

Dec 13, 2013 05:13 AM
Liane Thomas, Top Listing Agent
Professional Realty Services® - Corona, CA
Bringing you Home!

That seller was short sighted in his/her unwillingness to negotiate. Now that agent and seller will need to disclose the crack to future buyers. This will likely cost them more money in the long run.

Now go find your buyer a different house!

Dec 13, 2013 05:52 AM
Andrea Peters
The Andrea Peters Group powered by United Home Group @ Keller Williams Realty - College Station, TX
SOLD with Andrea!

Wow. That seller is going to end up losing more than $700 with the next buyer.

Dec 13, 2013 08:21 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Sometimes they just don't work out no matter how hard you try & how flexible the buyer is. Seems like everything was tried so you did a good job. As you say too, never forgo a home inspection no matter what.

Dec 13, 2013 09:05 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Interesting to hear the details.  Our firm buys sinkhole and foundation damage properties in Florida, so I understand how crazy these type of deals can get.

Dec 13, 2013 09:26 AM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

Andi Grant I know I'm a little late for the party on this one but it came up when I was surfing my AR blog for some past posts of mine on this subject. It really hit a nerve.

As a foundation specialist/contractor who's been working on cracked slabs, stem wall foundations and Manufactured Home foundation systems. Good post and definitely worth a reblog albeit a year late.

Nov 05, 2014 01:30 AM
Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

Thank you John!  You just reminded me to update this blog article with the good news!  GREAT, AWESOME, FABULOUS things can come to those who wait!

 

Nov 05, 2014 02:01 AM