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Ask An Ambassador: Ejection Is The Last Resort

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Real Estate Agent with Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com SAL.2002007747

 

ActiveRain membership changes regularly, mostly because people come and go on their own.  Either they get out of real estate, or they go solely to their own site to blog, or they decide blogging just doesn't work for them.  And in those cases, they typically leave their past work here in the Rain. 

But once in a great while a participating member has to leave on other than his or her own terms.  I've only seen it happen a handful of times in my years here.  And each time I know it's a decision that was NOT taken lightly by the AR Staff.  This community is about growth and not subtraction.  And ejection has only taken place after attempts by the Staff to address the behavior of the member.  ActiveRain operates as well as it does because of the Community Guidelines

Inherent to those guidelines is the intent that we create an environment that is welcoming to sharing, building our business and gaining friends.  What's NOT part of those guidelines is continued insults, trashing other Rainers and otherwise creating a feeling that your negatives far outweigh your positives.  There is no problem with stating your opinions CIVILLY (although even then, there's a time and a place), but the HOW of it can make or break your reputation.

Obviously different people have different levels of tolerance and frankly none of us are totally immune to on occasion offending someone else.  I take my Ambassador role seriously, but can I claim total innocence from being human and sometimes hitting ENTER on a comment when it might have been better to just move on?  Of course not.

Personally I struggle with the concept of "just ignore them and they'll go away".  I tend more towards believing "silence is consent" and allowing rude behavior to go unchecked sets a bad example for our community.  What we have here is pretty special, and if I want a Lord of The Flies environment I can just head over to Facebook and type the words "Trump, Hillary or Bernie??" and I'm sure the poop will begin to fly within minutes.  So on rare occasions, ignore isn't an option and the AR Staff will feel that for the good of the entire community, a member may need to be ejected.

What we can do is trust that if the AR Staff has decided to show a member the door, it wasn't a rash decision.  It's happened AFTER they've provided an opportunity for that member to conform.  And if after that point a member chooses to continue to violate the community standards, then any consequences that follow are of their own doing. 

Until next Tuesday, just Ask An Ambassador if you need help!

Liz and Bill aka BLiz 

 

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Comments(72)

Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

We're her in part, to build relationships, lest we forget when we post. I know for me, I watch behavior and put member in one of two categories: Will Refer Business, Will Not Refer Business. I'm opinionated and believe the more polarized the better, but being respectful of opposing opinions. I do tend to meet rude with my sarcasm in lieu of retorting in kind. Understood on the policy, thanks for the post. I'm aware of someone who "vanished". I assume he may have sparked this update?

Apr 12, 2016 09:20 PM
Sham Reddy CRS
Howard Hanna RE Services, Dayton, OH - Dayton, OH
CRS

Absolutely true!!! We have to conduct ourselves professionally!!!

There is no problem with stating your opinions CIVILLY (although even then, there's a time and a place), but the HOW of it can make or break your reputation.

Apr 12, 2016 09:26 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Bruce, I wonder how that button would look in my Kia? :)

John, It's a simple choice for the vast majority of us.

Marte, The nice thing about this community is by and large it's very civil.  I've had to delete very few comments on my posts over the years.

Roger, We can always count on that :)

Elyse, Ditto here, but fortunately that number has been very small and expect it to stay small.

Gita, It was more about comments and behavior in the Q&A section, although there was one post that called out another member by name, and that post was removed.

Thomas, Same here as far as the referring approach.  My thought is someone that can't keep their cool here is someone I don't want tied to my own reputation via referral.  And you'd be correct in your assumption.

Sham, It just makes good sense to keep our reputations intact by acting professionally. 

Apr 12, 2016 09:51 PM
Pam Dent
Gayle Harvey Real Estate, Inc. - Charlottesville, VA
REALTOR® - Charlottesville Virginia Homes / Horse

I have been an AR member for a long time, since 2008 I think.  I can say that I have not run into anyway who was rude or out of line.  Perhaps someone was a bit blunt but never out of line.  I am glad that I have not come in contact with the individuals mentioned above.  I find AR to be a supportive and welcoming place.

Apr 12, 2016 10:13 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Coldwell Banker Realty

Liz and Bill Spear "What we can do is trust that if the AR Staff has decided to show a member the door, it wasn't a rash decision.  It's happened AFTER they've provided an opportunity for that member to conform."  Having witnessed, and confronted, the online behavior of the person of which you speak, and having spoken personally with them once by phone about it and other more productive topics, all I can say is it's unfortunate that their online persona doesn't/didn't appear to match with their "live" persona.  I certainly don't envy Bob Stewart for this aspect of his leadership role, and am also confident "it wasn't a rash decision".  Re-Blog.

Apr 12, 2016 10:26 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Pat, It is fortunately rare for people to go beyond the point of just being blunt.

Tony & Suzanne, I'd expect their "live" persona would have to be different than their reputation here.  To be repeatedly rude to prospects and clients when you're in a sales job means a short career.  Thanks for the reblog.

Apr 12, 2016 10:37 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

You never know what is inside a person until they are probed or stirred. We come into the world innocent and then something happens to rob us of that stature. Some come back, some morph into a survival damaged mode, and some stew in the dysfunction not knowing "what they do".

I always ponder two things without enabling or appeasing mind you:

1. This person wasn't born this way so what happened along the way to cause this? What force is at work here? Why? How? How to come back? 

2. What are they trying to really say using anger, judgment and inflammatory responses as their expressions? I see it as a desperate cry for help. Thank you

Apr 13, 2016 12:16 AM
Raj Taj

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Apr 13, 2016 08:35 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Richie, For some folks it's like trying to hug a cactus, yes it can be done but it'll be painful.  When I attempt to have a dialogue with them and it becomes apparent nothing rational is going to come of it, I'm moving on to help those that are actually receptive to it.

Apr 13, 2016 02:13 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

I generally ignore rude and insensitive comments when I come across them but I understand your point about silence being consent. Although I don't condone some comments I just don't have time to get in to a mud-slinging contest with someone who probably enjoys it and welcomes the chance to engage. 

Apr 13, 2016 02:17 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Nicole, I can ignore for a bit, but if the person persists, I'll start clicking the Report link to make AR Staff aware that attention is needed.

Apr 13, 2016 03:35 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

A while ago I upset a member in a dreadfully bad way.  He unfollowed and sent me a truly nasty gram via interal AR contact.  I apologized because the title of his post was a question and I assumed he'd asked the question and I answered in what I thought was "helpful ambassador" manner.  As it turns out he didn't post that blog with that question at all.  A staffer did as a test after a problem had been reported.  The staffer had meant to delete the post and had not.  But it certainly made me realize more than ever that  sometimes a private notice is the best way to answer a question, even one posted in a blog.

Apr 13, 2016 05:17 AM
Brenda Mullen
RE/MAX Associates - San Antonio, TX
Your San Antonio TX Real Estate Agent!!

I've only seen it a couple of times myself.  I know it's a hard decision made by the AR staff and they don't take it lightly.  I know one thing though..if they removed someone, they were meant to be removed.  

Apr 13, 2016 06:44 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

The last ejection is not one that I agreed with.  I would like AR to come up with a system where we could block members from commenting on our posts or answering our questions.  It seems that the free market way would be better.  If enough members blocked you and you couldn't get points, you would move on, or at least not be tangling with more easily offended people who blocked you.

Apr 13, 2016 07:34 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Tamy, All you can do is act with the facts at hand and with best intents.  If someone wants to object then I think a large part of that burden is on them.

Brenda, It is rare, and it's a good thing.

Chris Ann, I'd love to say I have faith that AR could develop the software to effectively block, but I'm not sure that's where I'd want AR to place development resources.  To me, it's play well in the sandbox or get out of the sandbox.  The latest incident may have had more substance behind it than most of us personally witnessed.  It wasn't just a question of whether or not the community guidelines were violated, but how many times without repercussion?  I have no qualms about what the Staff chose to do.

 

Apr 13, 2016 07:44 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

I know that it was a struggle for a while. In the mos recent case, it just felt like the point was to disrupt for the sake of being disagreeable. That's just not a benefit of any kind. We can all disagree but when things become personal and just mean, I don't get it. 

Apr 13, 2016 02:05 PM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

Many people find Howard Stern offensive, but then he's a "shock jock" and probably smarter than 90% of his listening audience.

I submit some folks respond to AR posts for the "shock value" because of what seems (to them) to be a very trivial question or post.

I also submit that certain AR members and Ambassadors tend to take personal offense to such comments when such comments are not even directed at them. A member recently asked, "...do you respond to every post you read?" Only those with too much time on their hands and not enough clients or listings seem to answer in the affirmative.

Apr 13, 2016 02:05 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Karen, Me either.  This community doesn't thrive with that type of disruption just for the sake of disruption.

Martin, Doing things purely for shock value doesn't align with the general expected behavior of this community.  And I'd submit some people think it's perfectly acceptable to kick the Ambassadors in the shins for sport, and considering how much volunteer work is done by some of us for the community it can be more than slightly frustrating to be made a target.

Apr 13, 2016 11:37 PM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I only know of one given the door.  I suppose there are more.  I know it is very hard to get kicked out. 

Apr 16, 2016 01:43 PM
Lisa Friedman
Great American Dream Realty - Essex, VT
35 Years of Real Estate Experience!

I agree with you that silence is consent. We do have a wonderful community here and there is no reason ever for anyone to be disrespectful. One can disagree respectfully or give constructive criticism in a nice way without offending.

 

Apr 19, 2016 05:37 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Gene, I know of at least 3 that were given the boot, and another that was temporarily suspended.

Lisa, There really is no reason to misbehave.  Disagreements will happen, but they can be handled in a civil manner.

Apr 19, 2016 05:51 AM