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Wedding Gift Registries: Thinking Outside the Gift Box

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Wedding Gift Registries:

Thinking Outside the Gift Box

 

 

     A recent post entitled "Crowdfunding your down payment?",  written by fellow ActiveRain member, Alan May (Coldwell Banker Residential, Evanston, IL) raised the topic of:

     Engaged couples establishing a Wedding Gift Registry for the purpose of raising funds for a downpayment on a future home purchase ...

     Now, before you form any opinion on this, consider these wedding/registry statistics I found in 2 recent articles ...

     The first stats come from the Pew Research Center article, "How Millennials today compare with their grandparents 50 years ago":

  • The average age of grooms in the U.S. is now 29 years.  It's 27 years for brides

          

     The second set of stats come from a SoundVision.com article, "Wedding Statistics in the United States": 

 

  • The average number of invitees to a wedding:  178
  • $19 Billion per year is spent on Wedding Gift Registries
  • 91+% of marrying couples register for gifts
  • Guests spend an average of $70 to $100 on a gift

     
     A few obvious conclusions can be drawn from the articles and statistics mentioned above:  

  1. Weddings are a big business  
  2. Today's couples are older than their counterparts of even a decade ago  
  3. They (and their guests) are spending more on their weddings  


     Consider this too:  Wedding Gift Registries (reported above at 91% participation) have increased in popularity over the years and are welcomed by both the marrying couple and wedding invitees.  The gift suggestions provided via these registries have evolved too.  They now reflect the needs and tastes of today's older marrying couples.  

     As pointed out in Alan May's post, the likelihood of modern wedding couples still needing household gifts (such as small kitchen appliances, towels, etc.) at the time of their wedding is becoming smaller.  There are other contributing factors, but the establishment of households by older brides and grooms during the years leading up to the nuptials has certainly reduced or eliminated those needs.

     As a result, CASH is now reported by American Express Spending and Saving Tracker to currently be the most popular gift given (33% monetary vs 32% registry) and received (49% of couples prefer monetary gifts vs other gifting).  

     While Wedding Gift Registries remain popular ... many engaged couples have begun to brainstorm and expand upon the concept. New and different Gift Registry options are now taking shape. 

     While these many wedding-related changes have been taking place, other new changes and challenges have also been on the rise.  Those revolve around home buying.

     It's no secret ... saving money for any reason has become increasingly hard over the last decade.  That's especially true for down payments.

     Recognizing that challenge as it relates to marrying couples, it then becomes much easier to understand the growing popularity of wedding registries established for this unique gift giving purpose ... a home's down payment.   

     But consider a couple using the following math equation with the statistics found above:  


                                   Average number of wedding guests (178)

Amount of average monetary gift ($70 - $100)


     The answer reveals a healthy down payment ... or savings to place toward a home's Closing Costs ... being gifted.

     Feel differently about the wisdom of putting this type of Wedding Gift Registry to work on your behalf now?

 

     Does it change your initial reaction? Could you suggest it to clients?

      
     For those marrying couples saying "YES" ... and considering the establishment of this unique gift request, please take note: 
     
     Documentation and handling of gift monies received is vitally important.  Mortgage Underwriting rules regarding the receipt of monetary gifts are strict and need to be adhered to closely. 


     "Verifiable" funds ... and a corresponding paper trail into account(s) established for down payment purposes will be required.  That means every check received and placed into an account(s) towards down payment (or Closing Costs) must be copied, then provided to the Lender.

     Marrying couples utilizing this type of Gift Registry must keep in mind: Underwriters will need to know WHERE the monies used for their Down Payment and Closing Costs come from.  They'll want to know the "source" of all funds received.  Couples need to establish simple bookkeeping steps prior to the first receipt of gift monies.

     It must also be pointed out to couples utilizing this type of Gift Registry:  An Underwriter may request a copy of your Wedding Invitation.  If formal invitations were not issued, an engagement notice or copy of the Marriage License will typically suffice.  

     This particular request sometimes takes my newly-married couples by surprise, so I mention it here to remove any surprise element in the future.  

     With all the above-mentioned needs in mind for documentation and verification, you can see why I strongly suggest that couples contemplating the establishment of a Gift Registry for down payment purposes meet with me prior to Registry set-up.  

     It just makes sense to seek and gain the correct advice and instructions to record gifts properly prior to their initial receipt than it is to backtrack and try to correct the documentation later.  And it definitely saves time and avoids frustrations during an already stressful time ...




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Comments(53)

Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

This is important information for agents to pass along to couples on the verge of marriage. 

It still bothers me. I'm some kind of a throw back to ... something. I find hitting friends up for gifts OR money to be distasteful. 

I know, I know - it's the way things are done. But I would still never do it. 

Jul 14, 2016 01:30 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

I think most couples assume that those attending their wedding are going to bring a gift, so ... why not provide a list of what is actually needed or wanted?  Cash has become a fairly common gift ... this just basically alerts the gift giver about what the monetary gift will be used for, IMO ...  

Jul 16, 2016 03:54 AM
Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

Great information in this post Gene. There is no doubt that times have changed over the years, however, saving up for a down payment is still a challenge and the idea of gift giving in this way just makes good sense.

Jul 14, 2016 01:38 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

Maybe because I'm a LO, I would actually have a very high opinion of a couple alerting me to this type of Registry VS many other gifts, Diana Dahlberg.  I think it makes very good sense too ...


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 03:56 AM
Donika Parker
Maximum One Greater Atl. REALTORS - Roswell, GA

I loved this post! I had already read Alan's and thought 'gifting' cash to help with down payment was a great new idea. Thank you for the practical advice on how to handle those gifts correctly! Too bad I can't send some soon-to-be weds your way looking to buy in Atlanta, GA.

Jul 14, 2016 03:11 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

Thank you for that very nice compliment, Donika Parker ... makes me happy to know that you found benefit in the post and info ..


Gene

Jul 16, 2016 03:58 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

My nephew is getting married, the guest list is 125. I was shocked to learn the cost of the wedding is $250 per attendee. That's about $31,250 for about 8 hours of activity. Why not spend $3,500 and set aside $27,750 to start saving for a home? 

Let's say most guests are couples, say 60 and crowd funding registry at $100, so another $6k, a sum of $33,750 to start saving for a home downpayment. Invest the sum for two years and the sum adds up to $43k but that  would probably not occur because it's too pragmatic.

 

Jul 14, 2016 04:59 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

You showcase a very valid point though, Kimo Jarrett ... the purchase doesn't have to be immediate ... and being "pragmatic" can have its definite advantages ...


Gene


 

Jul 16, 2016 04:00 AM
Lynn B. Friedman CRS Atlanta, GA 404-617-6375
Atlanta Homes ODAT Realty - Love our Great City - Love our Clients! Buckhead - Midtown - Westside - Atlanta, GA
Concierge Service for Our Atlanta Sellers & Buyers

Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi 
"Documentation and handling of gift monies received is vitally important."

Our Client had done exactly what the LO directed and still the Closing today was held up for 3 hours because of an inexperienced Underwriter. Person had a problem matching a Wire Deposit to Attorney with the Gift Letter! We did Close in the end --- YEAH!
All the best - Lynn

Jul 14, 2016 06:23 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

Hate hearing these things.  As an LO that tries very hard to cross my T's and dot my I's, Lynn B. Friedman ... all the good done by the LO involved leading-up to the Closing was put into jeopardy by that last minute bungling.  Certainly very frustrating for them and their client .. and ALL involved.  


Glad to hear that the transaction did come to a successful conclusion ...


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 04:04 AM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

I had no idea how much documentation is necessary if you use gifted money. Great post!

Jul 14, 2016 07:49 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

There CAN be, Sharon Tara ... but some of that documentation can be "eased" or avoided if provided well in advance of application/use ... or when following instruction/advice from the LO.  It's why I advocate speaking with an LO far in advance of starting the financing process or viewing of homes.  "Positioning" is everything in these instances ...


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 04:08 AM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Ahhh...the famous gift trail rears it's grateful head...won't be surprised if this is a hip and trendy kind of thing...one more....blanket, toaster, dish, appliance....older, wiser...and best to meet with the Lender FIRST ...how about designing an easy to use, government endorsed GIFT KEEPER Gene....?

Jul 14, 2016 11:53 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

I hear ya, Sally K. & David L. Hanson ... maybe we should work on that???


Gene

Jul 16, 2016 04:09 AM
Donna & Larry Johnson
Keller Williams Real Estate - West Chester, PA
Chester & Delaware County

The yutes of our world are spending way to much money on their wedding. They should register at my website and have everyone donate to there new home that I will help them purchase!

Jul 15, 2016 12:06 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

The cost of weddings is staggering at times, I'll agree Donna & Larry Johnson.  Having had 2 sons marry fairly recently (and within 5 months of each other) ... I can attest to that!  


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 04:11 AM
Mike McCann Nebraska Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farm & Commercial Land Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm & Commercial Property For Sale 308-627-3700

I have a niece who is getting married in a few weeks...and they already own a house but it does need a paint job and some fascia / soffit work.  I am sure we will be giving money as that is what we normally do.

When my wife and I were married 29 years ago (next week on the 25th)...I lived in Orlando and she was relocating there...virtually every gift we received was cash.  We used it to buy a washer/dryer and bedroom set.  It was fantastic.  We took photos of the "gifts" and sent them in our thank yous. (Remember those days when you took pictures with an actual camera...got them developed in a week...then got dozens of reprints in another week?)

We drug those wedding gifts from Florida to Nebraska and then to Colorado Springs before the washer/dryer finally wore out. We still have the bedroom set...which is back in Nebraska for the second time!!

Jul 15, 2016 12:33 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

First ... Happy 29th Anniversary to you and your wife!  Best Wishes for many many more, Mike McCann - Nebraska Farm Land Broker ... 


And sounds like you and your wife put your money hard to work for yourselves just like my wife and I did when we got married.  40 years ago when we got married, CASH wasn't given in quite the same amounts or percentage of time ... but what we got still helped immensely.  For that, I'm still grateful to those that chose to gift us in that manner ...


Gene


 

Jul 16, 2016 04:16 AM
Eric Kodner
Madeline Island Realty - La Pointe, WI
CRS, Madeline Island Realty, LaPointe, WI 54850 -

An idea that is sheer genius! What better way to help a new couple get started, by making a gift that is absolutely meaningful.

Jul 15, 2016 02:02 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

I agree, Eric Kodner ... the concept is what I was hoping to instill in couples.  The rest is really logistics and detail.  With some advance preparation and good advice, it really can be accomplished relatively easily.  And who wouldn't always remember the value of a gift received and utilized in this manner??


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 04:19 AM
Margaret Rome Baltimore 410-530-2400
HomeRome Realty 410-530-2400 - Pikesville, MD
Sell Your Home With Margaret Rome

Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi 

I love this post...just linked to it about buyers starting a "house fund."

Jul 15, 2016 03:34 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

Fantastic ... and so exciting to hear that you're adding and improving on the post, Margaret Rome, Baltimore Maryland  Hope others do the same ...  


Gene

Jul 16, 2016 04:20 AM
Dawn Horras
The K Company Realty - Westminster, CO
Your Front Range Expert in Colorado

I really appreciated your post with all of its helpful information.  Thank you, Gene.

Jul 15, 2016 03:39 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

You're welcome, Dawn Horras ... glad you found it beneficial!


Gene

Jul 16, 2016 04:21 AM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

This is an awesome idea for newlyweds.  I have seen a few posts about this over the years, but of course the rules change.  Thanks for keeping it fresh!

Jul 15, 2016 01:21 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

You're right, Evelyn Johnston ... the rules regarding this type of giving/program have changed.  They are more detailed and strict in nature.  Great idea ... just needs to be implemented following those new rules.  With advice and guidance from your LO, that can be accomplished ...


Gene

Jul 16, 2016 04:23 AM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Gene, even if every guest spent $100 on a present, the take might not cover the cost of the wedding and reception!  And remember that a lot of them are Plus Ones!  But you’re right.  A gift registry for cash makes a whole lot of sense – even if presents are a lot more fun to open up! 

Jul 15, 2016 05:03 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

You're right, Patricia Kennedy ... depending on the wedding/reception of the couple, the money received may or may not cover costs.  That's obviously an individual couple's choice to make ...


But that said, if couples have a home purchase in mind ... I'm thinking they can get awfully excited over opening up a card with a check or cash inside.  I know I could ...


Gene 

Jul 16, 2016 04:27 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

Very smart stats and reasons for cash gifts to marrying couples.  This reminds me of the bride wedding dance.  After the wedding, during the "dance with the bride," it's common practice to give cash to the bride for a dance.  I've seen this at countless wedding receptions and for good reason.  But I like the idea of cash instead of a gift.  At least this way, if the guests don't "dance with the bride" they can be assured of the cash gift.  

Jul 16, 2016 03:34 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

I've attended a few weddings where this has taken place too, Jan Green ... the bride actually wearing a purse of sorts to stuff money into.  I've always thought that money "above and beyond" the actual gift brought to the reception by a guest?  If so, just think what an extra boost to a downpayment a couple might receive ...


Gene


 

Jul 16, 2016 04:30 AM
Thomas McCombs
Century 21 HomeStar - Akron, OH

Thank you for a valuable post. This is what AR is all about.

I have not had this come up in my experience, but I am now aware of the situation and may be able to help some folks plan for their futures.

I wonder, should gift givers be required to provide proofs of citizenship or visas or green cards to legitimacise their rights to give? We can not be too careful! 

Jul 20, 2016 10:40 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Very neat idea for those about to get married and thinking of buying a home.  Makes good sense.

Aug 05, 2016 08:27 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I agree with the idea. I learned it from my kids. From about 12 y.o. they do not want any gifts, but gift cards or cash. Kids are very clever these days. 

Aug 18, 2016 06:01 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I'm glad this post is featured. 

Congratulations! 

Aug 18, 2016 06:04 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi

Thanks so much, Inna Ivchenko ... and you're right.  Kids are smart and provided good options will make smart decisions!


Gene

Aug 19, 2016 05:07 AM
Daniel Dominguez
Realty Connect USA - Hauppauge, NY
I'm an RE agent serving Nassau & Suffolk County

Great post

Apr 26, 2018 06:30 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
Thank you, Daniel!
Apr 26, 2018 06:33 AM