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Does Your State Require Full Disclosure?

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Does Your State Require Full Disclosure?

It came as a shock to me when I heard one of the headline stories this morning on the local Fox news.  A simple overview of the story was that a family just found out that their new home was the scene of a triple murder and suicide that happened just over a year ago.  The previous owner, a surviving minor of one of the families that was murdered, sold the house without disclosing the home’s violent and deadly history.  A court-appointed personal representative of the estate of the minor obtained a court order preventing the details from being disclosed to potential buyers.

Murder

Florida law at this time does not require real estate agents/companies to disclose a property’s dark history of murder, suicide, or death that occur on that property.  Does your state require full disclosure when it comes to a home’s morbid past?  If not, should full disclosure be required?

I am one for full disclosure.  It would be a little creepy knowing that I live in a home where someone died (either by natural causes or not).  I remember when we were looking for our current home we saw one house where the previous owner had passed on.  The estate was trying to sell the property.  We were not told till we got to the property that the previous owner died in the house while sleeping in his bed.  Needless to say, neither my wife nor I felt right abut buying that home.

Now, I know that some people don’t care and will buy a home despite its past (even if told about it).  But for those that do care, they should be protected in knowing that a real estate agent/company has to disclose those facts.

*The Realtor®/Broker that sold the listing wanted to disclose the history, but was under the court order mentioned above from disclosing such.

Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP

Jason, Here is the quote from our Disclosure: The sellers check yes or no.

"Any death on the Property except for those deaths cause by: natural causes, suicide, or accident unrelated to the condition of the Property"

In case you wanted to know.  In an MCE class I asked about the suicide and that's when I learned about the mental illness thing. Crazy! No pun intended!  :)

May 23, 2007 02:44 AM
Jim Lee, REALTOR, CRS, ABR
RE/MAX Shoreline - Portsmouth, NH
Buying or Selling? Ann & Jim are the local experts

In Tennessee you must disclose material facts about the house itself; not necessarily events that may have happened in or around it.

Having said that I believe if you know about anything such as a suicide, murder, etc., you probably need to tell prospective buyers because if you don't you know the neighbors will be lining up to tell them when they move in and what do you look like then.

May 23, 2007 05:27 AM
Gary White~Grand Rapids Home Selling Pro Call: 616-821-9375
Flexit Realty "Flexible Home Selling Solutions" - Grand Rapids, MI
Real Estate Services You can Trust!

Michigan does not require disclosure on stigmatized properties.  This is a bit of a grey (dark) area.  As a sellers agent you can not disclose this information without the sellers consent.  As a buyers agent you do not have to disclose by statute but would I, yes.  Just like Jim said, neighbors line up to tell the gruesome issues concerning any deaths that happen on a property. 

The reason most states do not have this law on the books is because real estate lobbyists worked to get it off!  If you "stigmatize" a property you lower it's value along with neighboring properties!  Do ghosts jump from house to house?  I lived in a house where a suicide had taken place, by hanging, for those of you who jumped to weapon.  I did not know as a kid until later this event had taken place.  I learned at school form a classmate!  I relayed the information to my parents....they knew that is how they got such a great deal on the house!  So who knows.  I probably am with Jason....not for me or my wife.

May 23, 2007 05:39 AM
Vicki Lloyd
The Lloyd Realty Group - San Diego, CA
(619)452-9798, Real Estate San Diego California

In California, our "Supplemental Statutory and Contractual Disclosures" form asks the seller if he is aware of "within the last 3 years, the death of an occupant of the property upon the property."   This is a disclosure requirement, unless the death was a result of AIDs, which is protected by anti-discrimination law. More details are available at the California Association of Realtors website.

If it happened more than 3 years ago, it should still be disclosed to the buyer, because you know the neighbors will tell them later!  If the buyer feels creepy about it, or has religious or cultural issues, they should have the right to know before buying!

May 23, 2007 06:11 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services
No duty to disclose murder, suicide or ghosts in NH unless and untill a buyer specifically asks the question!
May 23, 2007 06:15 AM
Jeff Fulgham
T.U.P. Realty - Tupelo, MS
Broker E-Pro ABR
The courts here say that we only have to disclose the physical attributes to a house. Murder is not a physical atribute.
May 23, 2007 06:19 AM
Michael Eisenberg
eXp Realty - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham Real Estate Guy
Washington doesn't require it, but if you ask they have to tell you the truth
May 23, 2007 07:25 AM
Ed DeChristopher
Fredericksburg Realty, Inc. - Fredericksburg, VA
CRS Fredericksburg VA

Fascinating responses; makes me glad I do business in Virginia.

Sellers of properties here in our area have an option of presenting a buyer with either one of the two forms prepared in accordance with the Commonwealth's law.  A Property Disclosure or a Property Disclaimer form.

The former consists of about 15 questions which require either a yes, no, don't know, or does not apply response.  The disclaimer says, basically, what you see is what you get; the property is sold "as is."

Most sellers prepare the disclaimer version.

There is also a comment pertaining to sex offenders on each.  The address of the state webpage where data on sex offenders is revealed is on the page.  It is incumbent on buyers to research for themselves if they want such information.

Thank goodness I do not have to comply with telling people about ghosts or other perceived apparitions.

We do, in addition, have to disclose material defects of which we are aware though.

May 23, 2007 07:47 AM
Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP
Ed, great point that I have forgotten about. We have an addendum about sex offenders....(smack on head)!
May 23, 2007 08:27 AM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
I don't think I would want to live in a house where there was a murder. I think it would be better not knowing. Otherwise, it would be an extremely hard sell.
May 23, 2007 09:30 AM
Paul David Hiebing
Grampp Realty: Real Estate in the Quad-Cities - Bettendorf, IA
Quad-City REALTOR®, @ Grampp, Realty of The Q.C.

In Iowa, we are ONLY required to disclose "material adverse facts" that could/would:

1) Influence a person's decision as to whether to buy a home or not.

2) Influence the terms/conditions upon which the buyer would purchase a property.

We are not required to, nor are we expected to, disclose adverse facts about the property which are not of a material (i.e structural/mechanical) nature.

However, I myself would probably disclose a murder to my clients, if I was represnting the buyers.

There is a home located here in my home-town in which the owner killed his wife, then cut her body into little pieces with a chain saw and threw them in the river.... no kidding..... 

If this home ever came on the market, and I was to show it to my clients, you can bet I would disclose this information to them.. They would find out eventually if they bought the home.

PS.  the killer in the above mentioned example is now selling tacos out of his own restaurant, still in my home-town.

NO KIDDING!!

May 23, 2007 10:03 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Jason...

We had this discussion many years ago when I was a Director on our local BOR. One of biggest issues we have here in Florida is 'stigmatizing' a property.

I also would like to know if someone passed away in a house before I bought it. But, I do understand why our State does not require us to disclose this. Once a home is 'stigmatized' this way it can not be undone.

TLW...ROAR!

May 23, 2007 10:53 AM
Liz Foley
Keller Williams Realty - The Steven Chicoine Team - Sanford, ME
Cheerfully serving your real estate needs!

In Maine, as in a few of the other states above, we have to disclose material facts that may or may not have an adverse bearing on the house - they refer to structural and environmental issues only, anything tangible.  There is nothing on our disclosures that speaks to illegal acts, murders and mayhem - and as far as the "hauntings" I've been asked before about prior deaths in a house.  With all the old homes in New England, many, many of them have had deaths in them, and only once has a client ever asked me about that!  Also, about that cemetary, doesn't the deed speak to a burial plot in any way?  As far as I know, they all do. And almost every title company is going to refer to it, or discover it, in their research.  That one is a mystery!

Just curious - where some people believe in hauntings and some don't, I wonder how we would even call that a "fact" that would impact a sale - truly, isn't that hearsay, and as such, not proveable? (no matter our belief)

May 23, 2007 02:20 PM
Ryan Hukill - Edmond
405home @ ERA Courtyard - Edmond, OK
Realtor, Team Lead

This type of disclosure is not required in Oklahoma but I've often wondered if it should be. I can see both sides to it and am personally undecided on whether or not it should be law. Interesting post, thanks!

May 23, 2007 03:20 PM
Jason Price
Mortgage Financial Group, Inc (NMLS 219650) - Tavares, FL
The Mortgage Rider

Wow.!!! I am out of the office working today and this post goes crazy.

Thank you everyone for sharing your insight to this matter and your local state laws surrounding the issues.  I never thought of the "paranormal" aspects of selling a house and having to disclose the permanent resident(s) that may still occupy the home.

I will go back through the comments and make a list of which states require disclosure and those that do not. 

Again, thanks for sharing.

May 23, 2007 03:28 PM
Dianne Barody
Century 21 AmeriSouth Realty - Pensacola, FL
Pensacola Florida Real Estate

You are right, in Fla, we do not have to disclose that and I agree with it. 

May 30, 2007 06:56 AM
Linda Box Taylor
Castle Connections Realty - Plano, TX
Your Plano, TX Realtor

There seems to be some confusion in the state of Texas about disclosure so I got online at the Texas Association of Realtors website to find an answer.  The legal department states we should disclose murder.  Here is there direct quote "Since a murder occurring on the property might be considered a material fact concerning the property that a buyer would want to know in deciding whether to purchase the property, it's probably prudent for sellers to disclose this fact."

Hope that clears it up!

May 30, 2007 11:30 AM
Anonymous
judi_judi@yahoo.com

Disclosure is very important my mother lives in Port Angeles Wa our minister with his prayer warriors will be in her house this afternoon to hopefully rid the home of evil spirits.She bought it 7 yrs ago the things that have happened in the home is out of a scary movie. So many family members have seen the spirits and now its to the point my brother is visiting mom from Hawaii and he has been held down on the bed could not move we now find out this happens to my step dad. so many things happen there on a daily bases. She would not have purchased the home if she would have known.

Oct 30, 2008 02:03 AM
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Anonymous
Neil

I recently found out that someone blew their head off in my computer room ten years ago from neighbors.  I found the fixed bullet hole in the ceiling and blood splatter still in place.  Do I believe in full disclosure, hell yes.  It seems the only ones who don't are real estate agents interested in only one thing;  the almighty buck........

Mar 27, 2009 06:42 AM
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Anonymous
Danijela

Yes it should be disclosed. We just bought a house in Illinois state and before we closed we asked seleler relator for disclosure about previous deaths and she said "Nobobdy died in the house". Five days after we closed we learned there was 1 natural death and one suicide in this house this year in Feb. We asked relator to cancel this sale and she is refusing stating she did not have to disclose it and also she did not know about it. I am mortified of this house. We never moved in, we extended renting our aparment but now we are stuck with a morgage on this house which we gave 20% down for. Does anybody know good attorney who could help us get justice here?

Sep 17, 2010 07:41 AM
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