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The $50,000 Marriage Tax Penalty

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Rentec Direct Property Management Software

sneaky sam I think that our buddy uncle sam wants us to believe that he believes in family and at least claims to support families.  Why though is it that they continue this $50,000 tax penalty on married couples?

Not sure which penalty I'm referring to? (are there that many? lol).  I'm talking about the passive loss penalty.

The technical read is here:  http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=146341,00.html

In a nutshell, as a taxpayer filing unmarried and single I have the benefit of taking up to a $25,000 loss on my "passive income" (investment properties) against my active income provided I make less than $100k/yr.  This includes all the standard deductions investors take on their properties - repairs, mortgage, taxes, depreciation, etc.  My $100k active income can be reduced to $75k if I had $25k in losses on my properties thereby directly affecting my tax bill.

OK, that's easy enough to understand and makes sense.  It even seems pretty fair.  What happens if I get married though?  Penalties up the wazzoo is what happens.

First, this benefit is only applicable for those making $100k/yr or less.  It phases out and is completely eliminated at $150k.  But wait, we're two people instead of one right, so all the numbers should be doubled.  It makes sense that for a joint return the benefit would begin losing it's value at $200k/yr, similar to most every other benefit in tax code for joint returns.  But sneaky sam has never modified this particular credit to account for joint return.  A joint return has the same $100k limit as a single application.  If my wife brings home $25k/yr we only get half of the benefit or $12,500.  If she brings home $50k/yr we completely lose out on the benefit.

To make things worse, what if I come into the marriage with 4 properties that have a $25k loss, and she comes into the marriage with 4 properties with a $25k loss and our combined incomes now exceed $150k.  This is a worst case scenario because prior to marriage we both were able to take a passive loss deduction of $25k.  After marriage, neither of us can take the passive loss deduction.  That's $50k additional income we would be taxed on, or roughly $15k in taxes.  Over a marriage lasting 40 years that's $600,000 extra we've been forced to pay sneaky sam because of this "glitch" in the tax system.

Now I know nobody wants to get started on taxes, it's a sore subject no matter what way we look at it; but I keep hearing about this particular issue with property investors who have passive losses and it's a big sore subject that keeps coming up year after year.

So what do CPAs have to say about this?  I've interviewed several, and the same conclusion is that uncle sam does what uncle sam does and his purpose is to increase taxes, not reduce them.  How to avoid the $50k penalty:  a) don't have any losses, or b) don't get married

I, for one, hope some of our trusted(?) elected officials stand up to the IRS on this one someday and repair this flaw in the tax code.  Since losses on a realestate rental are somebody elses taxable gain, as it stands now, it's double-taxation.

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Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Everything the government touches turns into crap.

There is obviously no requirement that the policy makers (wouldn't that be Congress?) be able to perform simple mathematics.

 

Jun 23, 2009 10:25 PM
Dave Edwards
Dave Edwards Realty - Greenville, SC

Excellent post!! Thanks for sharing this info.

Jun 23, 2009 11:50 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Doesn't seem fair does it! Then what is in life!

Patricia Aulson/portsmouth nh real estate

Jun 23, 2009 11:54 PM
Nathan M
Rentec Direct Property Management Software - Grants Pass, OR
President (Rentec Direct)

Hi Joseph,

Your right.  A realestate professional doesn't have to classify rental income/losses as passive income and thereby the penalty is bypassed entirely. For clarity, this penalty typically affects only married couples who both work full or part time in a non-realestate field and their combined incomes exceed 100k.

Jun 24, 2009 12:22 AM
Mary Strang
Viroqua, WI

Many interesting comments here, going from flat tax to if the accountant should be replaced. I rely on my CPA to do the best for me as taxes to me are an evil necessity of which I pay a lot of each year.

Jun 24, 2009 12:25 AM
Don Fabrizio-Garcia
Fab Real Estate - Danbury, CT
Owner/Broker/Trainer - Fab Real Estate

Yes, there are some tax "penalties" for married couples.  However, there are also tax benefits to being married, particularly after the death of a spouse.

As with most taxes, the more income a household makes, and a married couple is technically considered to be a household, then the more taxes are paid.  The system is far from perfect, but this one example certainly doesn't make it awful.

Jun 24, 2009 12:58 AM
Wendy Rulnick
Rulnick Realty, Inc. - Destin, FL
"It's Wendy... It's Sold!"

Nathan - Uncle Sam still lives in the 40's.  The majority of households have two persons on career paths.  They should not be penalized for it.

Jun 24, 2009 01:08 AM
Debbie Summers
Charles Rutenberg Realty - New Smyrna Beach, FL

Nathan - It's just wrong...  The Tax Laws need to be updated to reflect "Current" conditions.  I've worked my entire life and folks that are married with NO CHILDREN are penalized the most.

Jun 24, 2009 01:30 AM
Dan Hartman
Province Mortgage Associates - NMLS #2861 - Providence, RI

Nathan, 

Great post! That does it - I'm not getting married!

Dan

Jun 24, 2009 02:01 AM
John Wheeler
Northwood Realty Services - Slippery Rock, PA

In addition to being a REALTOR I also work for H&R Block during the tax season.  What I have not seen anyone mention is that passive losses can be carried over to future years.  Those passive losses that can not be deducted in the current year can be deducted against passive gains in future years, or capital gains when the property is sold.  They are only truly lost if the rental house is sold at a loss.

Jun 24, 2009 03:33 AM
Nathan M
Rentec Direct Property Management Software - Grants Pass, OR
President (Rentec Direct)

John,

What's the limit on passive loss carryovers?  It can only be done for X number of years right?

Jun 24, 2009 03:39 AM
Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

Thats good to know.  Not married right now....I guess I should stay that way...(just kdding)

Jun 24, 2009 05:17 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

I knew I didn't like being married ON TOP of the tax thing now!  Good post, congrats on your newsletter inclusion.

Jun 24, 2009 06:01 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

These is an outrage and an example of another anti-family piece of legislation.  Do you really think it will ever get changed?

Jun 24, 2009 08:32 AM
Jeff Engle
Neighborly Realty - Lincoln, CA
PlacerAreaHomes.com

Since there is discussion about taking away the mortgage deduction there is probably a slim chance that the marriage penalty will get removed.  Maybe we can mobilze NAR to help us out?  Maybe not...

Thoughtful post, interesting responses.

JEff

Jun 24, 2009 01:49 PM
Ginger Moore
Wilkinson & Associates Realty - Gastonia, NC

Hi Nathan,  It is so unfair to impose higher taxes on married people. You just would not think it would be this way.  We need to restructure all taxes.  Taxes are much too high, and some people do not even have jobs these days; but the bottom line is that married couples should not have to pay much higher taxes. great post!

Jun 26, 2009 11:01 AM
Anonymous
Bonnie

Elected officials will not take this up, NAR needs to do it!

Jun 28, 2009 06:19 AM
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Andrew Haslett
Van Warren Home Inspections, NAHI CRI - Fort Knox, KY
Heartland of Kentuckynulls, Best Home Inspector

Nathan, this is an interesting topic.

There are a lot of pieces to the tax code that are beneficial to a married couple in a way that an unmarried person does not benefit. This list is too long to put in this comment.

Reading your post, and the comments from some, the information is being perceived in a sweeping generalization of all tax code aspects for married relative to single. That is NOT the case.

The IRS doesn't make a lot of the rules in the tax code. Those are courtesy of Congress. If you want a tax code component changed, talk to your Congressional rep, not the IRS agent.

Jul 06, 2009 02:35 PM
Charles Perkins
Charles G. Perkins, CPA - Burien, WA

How you deal with your real estate investments can change the picture.  If it is a passive activity then you are subject to the $25,000 loss limit along with the loss limitations and may end up creating a huge tax benefit carry forward.  The carry forward could be a good thing if you ever dispose fo the property.

As real estate professionals it is also possible that many would not be subject to the $25,000 passive acitivity loss limit.  As long as this is a full time activity and your business is real estate there is no loss limit.  Assuming you meet the hours test.

Aug 02, 2009 06:21 PM
Kevin Franklin
Keller Williams of Central PA East - Lancaster, PA

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Feb 25, 2010 11:20 AM