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Imagine that the Media Using Inflated Foreclosure Numbers

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Mortgage and Lending with KJ Financial

According to an article at http://www.efinancedirectory.com/  titled "Organization Accused of Plumping Foreclosure Numbers for News Media and Congress" says that Realty Trac who is probably the leading provider for foreclosure information could be guilty of inflating the number of foreclosures.  It appears they do not count just one foreclosure per property.  If a property has more than one mortgage that files forclosure on a property they count each one as a separate foreclosure.  With all the combo loans done in the past few years that could mean a lot of extra foreclosures being reported.

It's not like it's just the media that uses info from Realty Trac Congress is using these potentially inflated numbers too.

I am not trying to understate that there is a problem with foreclosures because there is, I just don't think that it is nearly as bad as everyone is saying.  Keep in mind that the general public listens to the media pundits and their ambulance chasing headlines so they could be making their decisions to buy or not to buy dependent upon misinformation.

I believe it is our responsibility to make sure we get accurate information out to the public.  One stat I have been sharing is that in May of 2007 the foreclosures (which now may have been inflated) reached new highs.  In fact we have to go back and I mean waaaaaay back to December of 2003 which as we all know was just a horrible time in the real estate business.  It was a record year only surpassed by 2004 and 2005 and by far the biggest year in mortgage history.  So even though foreclosures are higher they aren't any higher right now than they were in 2003- do you remember anybody complaining about foreclosures then? (Other than people that were losing their houses).  I read somewhere, my apologies can't remember exactly where, that said the current issues we are facing won't even come close to the S&L crisis of the 80's.

The bottom line to this post is to make sure you are sharing with everybody you talk to (especially others in your office) the REAL numbers and the reality of the situation so that the consumers can make educated and well informed decisions whether or not they should buy or sell real estate.

Have a great week.

Suburban Chicago Illinois Real Estate
Suburban Village Realty - Barrington, IL
So True -- The media seems to only be interested in the bad news -- even if it is not accurate.
Aug 01, 2007 01:06 AM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

The mainstream media will buy anything if it is doom and gloom enough.

 

Aug 01, 2007 01:07 AM
Paul Moye
Benchmark Realty - Franklin, TN
Broker, GRI, SRES
They also include bankruptcy filings in their figures. See once an owner files for bankruptcy protection the property is immediately assigned to the Loss Mitigation Dept of the bank and it counts as an account in default. So tryuly the numbers can be royally out of line.
Aug 01, 2007 01:17 AM
Gary White~Grand Rapids Home Selling Pro Call: 616-821-9375
Flexit Realty "Flexible Home Selling Solutions" - Grand Rapids, MI
Real Estate Services You can Trust!

I was listening to a local news cast last night and they said we have 42,000 foreclosures in the state of Michigan placing us in the dubious position of 5th in the nation, California, Florida, Ohio, and Maybe New York may have been the other.

It makes me wonder how accurate that broadcast was in numbers.  I get an update every morning from RealtyTrac by email.  After reading this post I have sent and email to see if they respond with how statistical data is collected.  I know the marketing blip but what is real?  Nice post Kurt.

Aug 01, 2007 01:31 AM
Kurt Jackson
KJ Financial - Kansas City, MO

Stephen- it sure appears that way.

Al- Glad to do it.

Paul & Michelle- bad press sells

Tom- so true

Paul- great info- so it's even more off than I thought.

Gary- it's so hard to know.  I wish I knew where we could find accurate info.  I don't know if anyone knows where to get it if you look at the stats the government uses on a plethora of areas they are always revising them by quite a bit.  I would imagine that you have your hand on the pulse of your market so you know if there are a high level of foreclosures that's info you should be sharing with your local market.  We have got to let the public know that real estate is local not national and last I checked those national headlines aren't about my market in Kansas City!

Aug 01, 2007 01:56 AM
John Contabile
Coldwell Banker - Temecula, CA

From a business perspective, I understand their reasoning for counting each foreclosure, but from our perspective, and the public's at large,  it is the property that matters most which, means a lower number.  Not the thing news is made of.

Yep...time for us to step up and start explaining this stuff to the public if we want to see a turn in the market because it is all about perception and right now all they see is the gloom & doom.

Aug 01, 2007 02:16 AM
Joe Zapata
Keller Williams Realty Media World - Burbank, CA
Your Burbank Real Estate Expert
It is a real shame when things like this happen.  the media will always jump on the negative as that is produces ratings.  I honestly do even watch the news anymore as it does nothing more than depress me.  I can find all the info on the good old computer.
Aug 01, 2007 03:31 AM
Carmen Offutt
La Rosa Realty - Altamonte Springs, FL

Kurt,

I don't know how they collect their data but I do know that the information they send out about homes in pre-foreclosure includes any kind of lis pendins like HOA, construction liens, and taxes.  One home could have 3 different foreclosure procedures going at the same time and it would count as 3 homes going into foreclosure??? The only way to find out accurate information is to go to your local courthouse and do the research, no the easiest way but most definitely the most accurate.  In our county we can search online and that is also an option.

Aug 01, 2007 04:54 AM
Kurt Jackson
KJ Financial - Kansas City, MO

John, I had to stop to think about what you said about their business- they are selling a service to sign up for to get foreclosure information so if the numbers are higher that could equate to more people signing up- so I would agree with you.  The problem then lies with the Media and Congress turning to them for data (hopefully) thinking that data is correct.  I guess we'll see if they go away from this source in the future now that this info is out there.

Joe- agreed

Carmen-That's great make sure you are sharing that info with your local media and if they don't start using the accurate numbers maybe a marketing campaign about it could give you a lot more credibility with the consumers in your market.

I do a radio show in my market where we try to get to the bottom line on what the real situation is.  It is very difficult to find accurate data to share with my listeners.

Aug 01, 2007 05:05 AM
Tracey Thomas
BrokerInTrust Real Estate - Calabasas, CA
CA Real Estate Broker
It's all about selling advertising.  I wish those Hollywood starlets would do something crazy again so the media attention would move off of us...or maybe one of those televised car chases.  The news is not news, it's just sensationalized "stories" spun to increase ratings.
Aug 01, 2007 07:05 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent

The media always goes for the negative...one reason why agents are looked down upon is because the media tells them we are lying dogs. Not surprising that data out there is false.

Oh, Tracey, we most likely will have to wait till next year, when the Presidential race kicks into full swing!

Aug 01, 2007 11:33 AM
Kurt Jackson
KJ Financial - Kansas City, MO

Tracey, I think you're onto something there. It does look like Lindsey Lohan is doing her best to divert that attention to her.

Jennifer, you're right negative sells, if you are a lying dog what does that make me?  Mortgage folks are ranked lower than agents with all this fiasco going on I think we are both ranked lower than used car salesmen too.

Aug 01, 2007 12:09 PM
James Hoben
Barnstable, MA

I am shocked that the media would use hype and sensationalism to promote viewer. Shocked I tell you

Aug 01, 2007 01:38 PM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes

Sometimes it does seem to appear that way. Thanks for sharing.

Aug 01, 2007 04:47 PM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Hey Kurt, your usually pretty on target, but this time, I have to completely disagree, particularly because I've been viewing this phenomena of the foreclosure market, and the reporting behind it for the last couple of years. 

Being in the industry, we need to educate the consumer every time that a media report comes out. Regardless of what DataQuick and RealtyTrac reports, one item is constant; many homeowners are in trouble, or they wouldn't be in a position of defaulting on their payments. It just doesnt happen that way.

To that end, we have to explain that foreclosure is indeed a process, not an end result such as a bankowned property. I beleive this is one reason that the numbers appear so unbelievable. I've chosen to look at the numbers from a business perspective as a forecast report, or an accounting ledger that shows what a company owes you, and whether they are 30, 60, or 90 days behind, or going into collections. Same exact reporting mentality. If anything, it should give you an idea that a lot of people are in trouble; there is no way to refute that.

I'm looking at preliminary data right this minute that shows Kansas City, MO during the period of January to June of 2007 had just under 5000 homes in some level of foreclosure, meaning that there are a LOT of homes that are 60-90 days past due on their mortgages. Does this concern you, or is it easier to say the media is flat out wrong? They say that every joke has an ounce of truth, so, is our market a joke, that we should ignore? or as you say, just oversensationalized to sell more papers, etc? I know the median price from what I've seen in your area has gone from $260K in August of '06 to about $249K in August of '07. Not a big deal overall, but still a paper loss which affects the psyche of the consumer. What do you think will happen to a neighborhood if only 20% of those homes enter our inventory pool as bankowned properties, or maybe something not as serious like a short sale? or maybe just a desperate seller that will walk away with equity but has to get out now? All have a downward effect on price, until we get other buyers and investors into the homebuyer pool.

Now I'm certainly not a doom and gloom guy, as my business is doing great because I'm diversified enough to have buyers and sellers at all levels of the spectrum, so let's take this opportunity to educate ourselves further, and share that knowledge with our industry as well as our communities!

To your continued success!!!!

Aug 02, 2007 01:38 AM
Kurt Jackson
KJ Financial - Kansas City, MO

Bill,

First, I don't mind people calling me out on my posts, I actually like the chance to clarrify my points, but I wonder if you are confusing my post with others you have read?

Did you miss this part of my post? "I am not trying to understate that there is a problem with foreclosures because there is, I just don't think that it is nearly as bad as everyone is saying."

I have never denied that there is a problem because there is.  Not sure where you got your median house price info for my market- that is the median price for New Construction our overall median price is down about 2.1% to $157,000 certainly not a meltdown, but a correction nonetheless.

The media keeps comparing everything to the last four years- which is fine, but they also need to address the fact that the last 4 years were by far the four best years in HISTORY.  I am guilty of this because I continue to compare my favorite MLB team The Kansas City Royals to the 1985 Royals that won the World Series- it's pretty tough for them to live up to MY standards.  The only way they can live up to my standards is to win it again and if they want to exceed my standards they have to win two in a row and then three in a row, and then maybe they will have to go undefeated AND win the series again.  So when you hear me complain about my Royals you need to understand my frame of reference is 1985 when they reached the pinnacle of their sport.

In May 2007 foreclosures hit their peak (at least so far they came down a little in June-Notice I didn't say they are coming down for good) but the high in May 2007 was the same level as December 2003- come on now was 2003 a bad year for foreclosures?  I don't recall hearing anything about foreclosures in 2003.  I am not trying to ignore the fact foreclosures are on the rise, I am just trying to put things into perspective.  We are not facing the end of the world and face it for many folks (at least in my area) now is a great time to buy as long as you understand real estate is not a get rich quick scheme.

You said:

I'm looking at preliminary data right this minute that shows Kansas City, MO during the period of January to June of 2007 had just under 5000 homes in some level of foreclosure, meaning that there are a LOT of homes that are 60-90 days past due on their mortgages. Does this concern you, or is it easier to say the media is flat out wrong? Yes it does concern me, we have tried to help through education and getting people to WAKE up before the problem gets worse.  What I want to know is exactly where I said the media was flat out wrong? Where have I denied there is a problem? I have said they that use negative headlines to sell papers/ads/ whatever they need to sell to be successful.  I have given examples of them turning a positive statement into a negative one so I am not sure where you are going with this.  I have now said that they are quoting sources that appear to be using inflated numbers- do you dispute the possibility they are using inflated numbers?

Do you think the media should be quoting sources of information that are apparently inflating numbers?  In your research did you see how many of those folks that are behind have enough equity that they will likely find a way out of foreclosure?  Do you know what percentage of the delinqencies were due to job loss or to over buying with an improper financing structure?  I don't have the answers to these questions I wish I knew where I could get ACCURATE information about it because that is what I would focus on.  There is opportunity in EVERY market if you know where to look and I am trying to help the consumer realize that.

You said:

If anything, it should give you an idea that a lot of people are in trouble; there is no way to refute that. Where have I refuted that? Where have I said every thing is great that there is no trouble.

You said:

What do you think will happen to a neighborhood if only 20% of those homes enter our inventory pool as bankowned properties, or maybe something not as serious like a short sale? or maybe just a desperate seller that will walk away with equity but has to get out now? All have a downward effect on price, until we get other buyers and investors into the homebuyer pool.

I know what will happen to values as those things happen, I am trying to do what I can to prevent that in the future through my website, my radio show, through the posts I do here and on my own blog- there isn't a whole lot I can do for people that are already in trouble see lenders don't like reactionary people so unless you have a lot of equity once you get behind on your loan you are basically screwed unless you can pull yourself out.  That's why we focus on being PROACTIVE when you buy, sell or refinance so they are ready for the unknowns of life.

Isn't what I am saying in my posts designed to help people realize what is actually going on in the market and unfortunately there is blood in the streets in the real estate market, but the best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets so I am trying to get people out there to help stop the bleeding.

If fewer people can buy due to affordability and the credit crunch won't there be more renters?  Doesn't that help the investor market so why not show your good solid clients those opportunities and you can help the market in many ways- buy properties NOW, rent them out, help those tenants to rebuild their credit by working with a strategic mortgage partner that has a system set up to do just that.  Then in a year or two you have a buyer that has righted the ship and can help themselves out and buy real estate.

You said:

Now I'm certainly not a doom and gloom guy, as my business is doing great because I'm diversified enough to have buyers and sellers at all levels of the spectrum, so let's take this opportunity to educate ourselves further, and share that knowledge with our industry as well as our communities!

Where in the information that I have been posting am I not living up to this? 

If you have read some of my other posts you should see that we have a system we take our clients through that would prevent an overwhelming majority of these foreclosures because we don't follow tradition and we actually put the client in a much better financial position to handle the "Normal" causes of foreclosure- job loss, disability, divorce, death of a spouse, etc. See in my practice my clients don't have to worry about being in loans that they can't afford from the outset or loans that will explode on them so we just have to focus on the other threats to the wealth they have inside their houses.

 

Aug 02, 2007 02:22 AM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Hey Kurt. I appreciate your response as well to my post this morning.....ok, admittedly, maybe I shouldn't start posting to a blog at 5:30 california time, but hey I couldn't sleep, so what the heck. Thank you for clarifying your points. I beleive that we are on the same page, and have an obligation to educate our clients, as well as clarify for the media, not just give out a bunch of "sound bites". Having said that, I will start by disagreeing with you on the following point that you highlighted in your response.

"I am not trying to understate that there is a problem with foreclosures because there is, I just don't think that it is nearly as bad as everyone is saying. I respond that: The most accurate way to discuss foreclosures is really market by market, which I do believe the media has failed to address overall. On this we agree, however, as I've looked at historical data as well as projected data based on the loan performance for different portfolios, it really is as bad as it seems; maybe worse. Let me explain why:

During the last down turn in the real estate cycle, we were in a different economic position than we are today. The late 80s and the mid 90s both created turmoil in the real estate markets primarily because of job loss with the reductions in aerosapce funding, as well as the globalization of our economy, just to name a couple of reasons. This time we are in a much better economic position as it relates to jobs and globalization, but are experiencing a perfect storm of increased inventory that we havent seen in years, creative financing at the lowest rates historically, and a general overreaction by Wall Street that is choking off the spigot of money for real estate to keep moving. Interestingly, during the last couple of foreclosure cycles, about 70-80% of the homes that entered the process were never foreclosed upon, yet bank owned properties increased tremendously. This time around, I am fearful that a comparable 70-80% can or will go into foreclosure due to a lack of equity, stable or declining values, and tightened lending standards.  We have already entered the sobering up period after years of spending equity as if it really were a frat house party. The effects that we're about to experience will not be pretty........again, I'm talking about most markets. Some markets are doing holding value quite well, and are still appreciating.

Hence, here comes the positive, which maybe I inferred incorrectly in my initial post. You asked the question as follows:

Where in the information that I have been posting am I not living up to this? 

Maybe you personally have not, but we need to reach out further to the real estate community. I can tell you are a take charge kind of person, and you are obviously passionate about the industry or you would not have responded the way you did. Your answers and your actions are positive. To that end, that is where I completely agree that it is a great time to buy. I put my money where my mouth is, and in the next 6-18 months intend to invest even more aggressively than I have in the past. Based on the risk tolerance of my clients, I am pointing out several reasons why. Most of them have already been through this cycle before, and like me, are not believers of loan programs that explode on them, unless they have insane amounts of equity as a function of owning their homes, for 10,20, 30 or even 40 years, which were never viewed as piggy banks as so many recent homeowners have done.......

I look forward to reading more of your articles, and will not blog that early in the morning!

Aug 02, 2007 11:09 AM
Kurt Jackson
KJ Financial - Kansas City, MO

Bill,

No problem, it happens.

I am concerned that foreclosures will go up too, I just think that when the media inflates bad news and making it sound worse than it is it will do more damage because people will stay out of the market longer.  I am all for giving the public accurate information even if it is bad.  Once they can get their hands around the info they can then act in way that can benefit them.

I also think that some of the factors you stated about the situation potentially worsening could be offset by rates coming back down.  The inflation numbers are getting into the range where the Fed is comfortable with lowering rates.  If that happens then those lower rates will likely help to offset some of those foreclosures.  I know that is speculation and that is something I am not necessarily sharing with clients I don't want to fill them with false hopes.

Aug 02, 2007 11:49 AM
Shane Sarae
Honolulu, HI
Thank you very much for sharing this post and the interesting comments. None of us has crystal balls, but I know that when life gives you lemons, make lemonade, so there is something good that will come out of all this which is yet to be seen.
Aug 02, 2007 03:26 PM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Kurt

I absolutely hope you are correct about rates coming back down, as you very well know that people are concerned with monthly payments as a function of rate. I beleive that psychologically too many people worry when rates go over 7.00; I remember my first home at 13.00 and my parents at 17.5 percent interest. I know that far too many buyers are sitting on the fence about jumping in. I hope they decide to get back in soon.

Your comments were very much appreciated.....! Thanks!

Aug 03, 2007 03:26 PM