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Don't let your lender confuse you with definitions of certain fees. It's amazing how some loan officers will define such fees, especially when explaining what an origination fee is. In regards to conventional loans, most companies just put their points under discount points. Sometimes you will see a lender place nothing under origination or discount points, but under broker fee. And then you have the FHA origination fee.

 
Definition: Origination Fee 

A fee related to establishing your mortgage. The exact use can be unclear, but the fee ultimately compensates your lender or broker for putting your loan in place. This is from about.com.

In some handbooks that are supposed to be supplied by all lenders to their clients when purchasing or refinancing, the origination fee is defined as a fee covering the lender's administrative costs in processing the loan. 

 


History of the origination fee or the origination point :

Prior to 1983, the origination fees primary explanation from lenders to consumers was for compensation of their services. In the 90's, this basically changed as a fee equal to that of a discount point.  A discount point is a certain percentage that is usually paid to lower the rate. 1 point is equal to 1% of the total loan amount. On a $200,000 mortgage, 1 point would be $2,000 in what you would pay in regards to points. Whether or not to pay a point or two is another topic of discussion. For more information on this topic, please read The Myths about ZERO point mortgages instead of paying points upfront.

 
Another myth is that the lowest rate is always the best deal. This is partially true, but it depends on how much you pay for this rate. Again, read the post, myths about zero point mortgages.

 

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Conclusion : Overall, the best chance to waste your money is to misunderstand these terms. The method of which origination fees are still quoted separately from discount points is because of historical habit. And in some cases, loan officers hoping that borrowers will lose track of the real price of that rate.

When shopping for rates and fees, make sure that you ask for total points being charged. Most of all, smash that question in your head and make sure that you get a good faith estimate and not just a quote over the phone. This is good for several reasons. It will make the lender put it in writing, even though they can change this at any time. And it can sometimes keep them more honest in quoting you rates because they will be putting it in writing. Lastly, it gives you a chance to review all fees that are associated with the loan. Just make sure that you don't shop yourself right out of the market

 

 

 

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12 Comments on FHA origination fee and what it means......

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Jeff,

Good stuff and thanks for arming us with more info on FHA and lending in general.

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Your FHA Blog posts are so great!   Very nice to have had the opportunity to meet you over the phone outside of your blogs!  I can FEEL that not only are you the FHA Expert, but also are a great human being!

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Thank You Jeff!  I can always go to your blogs for great advice.
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I am always suspicious when buyers don't have a good faith estimate. I ask them to send it over and they are like "what?"

Some of the big corp transferring employees always pay down a point or 2 for their employees.

 

5:51am • #4
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Thanks for a great post.I will use it to explain points to buyers.
6:21am • #5
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great time to be talking FHA...

good information

 

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Jeff,

Thank you for this, you know me, i'm like a sponge, very useful info on FHA....

Tom Weiss

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Fran.....   my pleasure and thanks for the support and for following these FHA posts.

Katrina...... thank you very much for those kind compliments. You sound like someone very easy to work with from our chat and I can see why your clients keep coming back to you.

Lorinda...... my pleasure and thanks for the support and for stopping by.

Missy...... how about when I have a client shopping and tells me what they got from another lender. But then I ask them if I could see the GFE and they never got one. Or, better yet, they applied for a mortgage and was never given a GFE. The best one, pre-qualed, but never given a rate or payment over the phone. Just an okay to buy.  SAD

Gita.... I hope it helps them, because so many have been confused when loan officer's don't explain it at all. Or just bits and pieces.

David P. ......  I agree and thanks for the compliment.

Tom W. .......  my pleasure and thanks for stopping by. And yes, I know you are sponge for this information.  

3:23pm • #8
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Can you charge origination in NJ? I had believed the answer to be no. The last FHA loan I did was 3 years ago and I intend to start again next month.
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Christopher......   you can still charge origination on FHA loans in any state, even FHA.  When it comes to conventional, you can still charge it as a origination, but most lenders prefer that you charge it as a discount point, to keep things uniformed. But if you understand both origination or discount, they are the same end result, even though they can have 2 different meanings.  I hope this helps some.
9:27pm • #10
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Jeff,

Great start,

It's common practice on the left coast that origination is shown either (Line 801 on the Good Faith Estimate and subsequent HUD-1) as "1" or "0" with anything less that "1" or greater than the "1" shown as discount (Line 802). It's not right, but it doesn't change the totals or the "APR."

A more insidious practice is when quoting "points" oftenorigantion is assumed so that if you call two lenders and one honestly says "three including origination" and the next says: "two and a half" the consumer doesn't know which is lower. This is why with out a "Good Faith Estimate and Truth In Lending" forms no one not even the two of us can compare loans.

"Points is Points" you've got to consider all of them!

Consumers also have to watch out for "Processing fees" now normalcy called "Administration fees" These fees are a part of the origination that is quoted in dollars instead of points.

Banks and mortgage bankers often have far fewer indivual line items that mortgage brokers which can be very confusing for the consumer. The broker has to comply with much stricter disclosures than the direct lender, but it's rare that the broker's total fees aren't less.

Consumers should look at the total closing cost (Line items are truly unimportant, it's the total that matters!) of two loans at the same rate and term to determine which is better. For loans at different rates they should look at the total of cost and payments over say five years. "APR" doesn't work for comparing two loans of different rates unless you're going to have the loan for the full term, normally 30 years. Loans rarely go more than 5 years these days we're more restless than our Grandparents.

Bill

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Anyone quoting and charging discount points without being able to show an actual reduction in interest rate is out of compliance. Discount points are prepaid interest and NOT intended in any way as a profit source for the lender. In simple terms, an 8.00% loan can be reduced to 7.50% by paying an up-front lump-sum in the form of discount points. Interchanging discount and origination is either ignorance or deception.

To be very clear, this is not an implication that Jeff Belonger does this, but an added clarification.

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