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The Issue? of Electric Fireplaces

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Home Stager

More and more I am bumping into these electric fireplaces.

In the new builds they can look like they are built in.

Quite often the seller feels they are furniture and they intend to take them with them.

I end up treating it like it was part of the room so that it enhances the room.

I think it must be confusing to the Buyers. The room has a fireplace but it doesn't.

How do they fit into the sale? Do they become an exclusion? Are they just furniture?

Should the seller be removing it before they list?

 

 

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Comments(21)

Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

Thanks for your input Dan.

Sep 30, 2010 03:30 AM
Ginger Foust
Certified Staging Professional - Oakhurst, CA
Home Stager Oakhurst CA, Dream Interior Redesign & Staging

Janice I agree with Dan IF it is not included in the sale.  IMO not including it, if it's a good feature, is a big mistake.  These units are usually not very expensive and it could be really misleading to potential buyers to have to negotiate this item as an extra in the sale.  Penny wise but foolish.   

Sep 30, 2010 04:15 AM
Len Kobewka
Prairie Scapes / Scape-it™ - Calgary, AB
You Can Scape-it

Good insight ...  Have three of them in our home - and they serve function and enhance each room.  Advice to sellers - If you want it - take it now,  if you think it will help sell the house ... leave it! ... But a home stager may suggest - It may look better over there!            - Len

Sep 30, 2010 04:53 AM
Malcolm Johnston
Century 21 Lanthorn Real Estate LTD., Trenton, Ontario - Trenton, ON
Trenton Real Estate

The agent should specifically mention whether it's an inclusion or exclusion to avoid any confusion. Usually people do intend to leave them though.

Sep 30, 2010 05:02 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

I agree Ginger.

Thanks Len. Their mobility is a bonus.

Thanks for your imput Malcolm.

Sep 30, 2010 06:02 AM
Cindy Garruba
North Fork Home Staged to Sell - Riverhead, NY

I agree that they needed to be mentioned in the listing, or it can be confusing.  I left one when I sold my house because it really fit where it was and I thought it belonged in the room.  If I took it, I felt it would be unfair to the buyer.

Sep 30, 2010 08:01 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

Exactly Cindy. It just got to be confusing for a buyer, especially one looking at an entry level home.

Sep 30, 2010 08:30 AM
FN LN
Toronto, ON

Janice - It is best to list as an inclusion or exclusion in the contract.

Sep 30, 2010 01:12 PM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

Janice,

This is another good example of a problem or issue in the chattel fixture debate. I'm going to add this one to my list.

I'm running out of examples, so I'm coming to the end of the series. If you can think of any other good examples, please blog about them.

Brian

 

Sep 30, 2010 02:42 PM
Barbara Heil-Sonneck
Design2Sell - Atlanta, GA
Home Staging Atlanta

Hi Janice, have you thought about using one for staging as part of your inventory? I am playing with it...

Sep 30, 2010 03:27 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Janice- listen to the Realtors.. if the seller plans on taking it with them, then remove it before it is shown.  However if it enhances the room, why not leave it and buy one for the new home. 

Barbara (#11) good question about using one for staging.  How do the Realtors feel about this?  Because they can appear so real and built in, does it cause the same kind of problem it would for the seller?? I don't know the answer, just asking. 

Sep 30, 2010 04:22 PM
c m
Colorado Springs, CO

Agree with all above.  I had a really beautiful antique lamp I had installed in my 1902 Foursquare house. When we listed, we removed it, and installed in the next house, an 1885 Victorian.  It  matched the leaded glass windows perfectly, so when we listed that house, it stayed...no confusion.

Sep 30, 2010 04:28 PM
Not In Real Estate Any Longer
Autaugaville, AL

Hi Janice,

Electric fireplaces add a lot of beauty and ambiance to a room. I had two when I sold my house in Fergus and people just fell in love with the rooms.

If the sellers want to take them with them, then they should be listed as an exclusion, especially if they are the mantel models.

If buyers want them as part of the deal then they should go in with a great offer and ask for them.

Electric fireplaces should be considered as appliances - those too can be negotiated, and we don't ask the sellers to take them out!

Oct 01, 2010 02:48 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

Thank you Marc.

Brian, I have enjoyed your series. Some of the issues you brought up were things I would never have thought of as a problem.

Barbara, I haven't because of this issue - is it misleading the buyer?

Kathy, I've had varying reactions from Realtors. Some want them out before selling and some considered it a non issue. That's why I'm asking our AR community.

Thanks Cheryl. I envy you your heritage homes;).

Pam, so the appliances, a special light fixture and electric fireplaces should be written in as included or excluded in the listing contract to avoid confusion?

Oct 01, 2010 02:59 AM
Not In Real Estate Any Longer
Autaugaville, AL

Hi Janice,

Included can be stated in the description to attract buyers - it's a matter of choice - but definitely the items that are "attached", but the seller wants to take has to be listed as excluded.

Now appliances (as long as they are not built in) and electric fireplaces are not attached; therefore, don't have to be listed because they are chattels (not fastened to the wall or floor), but it's always wise to list as excluded if the seller absolutely wants to take them with them.

That just makes things clearer.

Oct 01, 2010 03:09 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

Thanks Pam.

Oct 01, 2010 03:12 AM
Lottie Kendall
Compass - San Francisco, CA
Helping make your real estate dreams a reality

That's a perfect example of and item that needs to be clearly stated in the listing. If it enhances the room, but the seller plans to take it--label it "personal property, will not remain in house."

Oct 01, 2010 04:48 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

That's a good idea Lottie!

Oct 01, 2010 05:45 AM
Kathy Clulow
Uxbridge, ON
Trusted For Experience - Respected For Results

Janice - added value, looks, include, exclude all things to discuss with the team that is preparing and marketing the home before any one sees it.

Oct 01, 2010 08:05 AM
Janice Ankrett
Burlington, ON
Staging Professional

Kathy, I agree ;). Thanks for the feedback.

I can see from the responses so far that there is more than one way to handle this and I will have to treat each one differently.

Oct 01, 2010 09:09 AM