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UFirst Financial - Anybody heard of them?

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Real Estate Agent with Samson Properties VA Lic # 0225101380

U First Financial - Anybody Heard of them

I had a visitor to an open house a few weeks ago and this guy went on to explain since he had joined this program him and his wife where able to save so much money they where looking for a second house.  In this market I'm always looking for buyers.

Well after walking them through the house - they went into their sales pitch.  They talked about how they use a HELOC and run all their income into this and pay all of their bills from the HELOC also. They also talked about how I could help my clients by offering this program.

Well, they have been calling for weeks and today I decided to sit with them and listen to their full pitch.  I guess this program cost $3500.00 and it looks like a advanced Quickens - I guess this program tells you when to move money around throughout this program and your accounts.  They stated by using this program you would be able to knock your 30 year mortgage down to 8 - 10 years.

Well I thought I would write this to see if any of you out there have heard of or have used this program.  They stated that this program is highly used in Australia.  Not sure looking for some advice on this

 

Thanks in Advance

 

Vincent McKamy - Realtor

Coldwell Banker Elite

http://www.thegpsrealtyteam.com/

Serving Fredericksburg, Stafford, and Spotyslvania area 

Ronald Miller
Monarch Mortgage - Fredericksburg, VA

Hey Vincent,

Check of Jeff Belongers blog in this group titled "Money Merge Accounts...Buyer beware". He wrote a very good blog on this topic and it should be able to answer most of you questions.

Nov 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Run   Run   Run away from it............   just like Forest..................

 

Here is Jeff's Belonger's blog   i sugest you read it...   

Money Merge Accounts aka Mortgage Accelerator programs...... beware!!!


 

Nov 29, 2007 12:43 PM
Kevin McGrath
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies- Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania - Fredericksburg, VA
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies

These programs make the plots of Oceans 11/12/13 seem understandable.

Nov 29, 2007 10:20 PM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Run, Forrest, Run!!!!

 

Dec 01, 2007 10:12 AM
Gary White~Grand Rapids Home Selling Pro Call: 616-821-9375
Flexit Realty "Flexible Home Selling Solutions" - Grand Rapids, MI
Real Estate Services You can Trust!
Hi Vincent, I am not aware of this one but so far none of these have met the test of time.  Nice post Vincent.
Dec 01, 2007 01:08 PM
Matthew Rathbun
Coldwell Banker Elite - Fredericksburg, VA
ABR/M, CRB, CRS, SRS, ePRO, SFR, GRI

Hey Vincent,

I actually have a meeting with the same couple on Wednesday.  He is VERY persistant, high-pressure sales, which is a big turn off for me.  However, he wishes to join the local association's affilate program so that he can market to the area agents at large.  I want to understand the program in case I get questions from buyers or students, but I have to imagine that if the product was this good someone over the past 100 years of morgage lending would have come up with it before now...

Maybe there is fault in that theory, but I am skeptical of everything and everyone till proven otherwise.

 

Dec 01, 2007 01:46 PM
Sandy Bacon
MacDoc Realty - Fredericksburg, VA
Vince--I hope Matthew will let us know what his findings are.  I have avoided this guy for over a month now.  I think this area is still stinging from the dream homes scam and this sound similar.
Dec 03, 2007 07:14 AM
Anonymous
Matthew Rathbun

I am also setting up a new Blog for industry folks at http://www.ClientCentricRealEstate.wordpress.com and will post about this program after meeting with the guy on Wednesday.

 

Dec 03, 2007 08:34 AM
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Kevin McGrath
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies- Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania - Fredericksburg, VA
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies
So - what was the final verdict? Deal - or no deal?
Dec 10, 2007 10:14 AM
Matthew Rathbun
Coldwell Banker Elite - Fredericksburg, VA
ABR/M, CRB, CRS, SRS, ePRO, SFR, GRI

Sorry for the delay.... I have met with the UFirst folks and then went to VAR Legal counsel.  It's legal, except for the fact that they aren't requiring RESPA disclosures and I a convinced (as is counsel) that one will be required.  It opens a can of worms and your broker must approve of such.  Under the Code of Ethics you would have to disclose to your client that you get a finicial benefit of offering or recommending such product and I think it marches awfully close to a violation.  Of course the company reps swear their legal department says they are covered and I am sure THEY are.  I don't think we are and honestly think REALTORS should stick to what they know best - selling homes and not software packages.

I am going to forward my "opinion" as a non-attorney, practitioner to the BOD and see what they say, but I don't like how it may shake out.  We're still not done with the Dream Home scandle yet, in our area. 

Dec 14, 2007 05:14 AM
Anonymous
Mike Henninger
I Am Proud To Be A U1st Rep & Have Been Very Helpful To Countless Families By Them Utilizing This Program I Have MANY Real Estate & Mortgage Professionals Utilizing This Program To Help Their Clients As Well. Check Out These 2 Sites For Additional INFO.   www.mortmin.com or www.mortmin.net    Thanks, Mike
Dec 25, 2007 01:13 AM
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Richard Sweum
1st Security Bank - Everett, WA
Their business model: "Find the sucker that is born every minute!"
Dec 26, 2007 06:13 AM
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Dec 27, 2007 07:29 AM
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Bill Black
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Vancouver, WA
VP Mortgage Lending

This is the biggest gimmick I have heard of lately. They represented a convention for Mortgage brokers in Las Vegas and I learned the insides of this from a brokers angle. They pushed the fact of "earning" (poor word use) up to $1500 of the transaction. 

Yes the concept is popular in Australia but they do not pay $3500... its called a Mcquary loan where all your money goes in at the beginning of the month in order to pay down your home. From what  understand you are not allowed to own a 2nd home until your first is paid off. Unlike how our politicians have made it a write off on 2nd homes that is not the case in most nations.

So when i find people selling these it only tells me they are looking to pick the bottom fruit from the trees as they are not capable of maintaining a mortgage business due to their lack of customer service, integrity and ethics and looking for the quick cash. 

Just my 2 cents:)  

Dec 27, 2007 04:29 PM
Anonymous
Kathy Sammons

I have the MMA or Money Merge Account and I love it.  I had 11 years left on my mortgage and I am going to pay it off in 5.3 years.  My first transaction or payment to my mortgage saved me enough money to get a 100% return on my $3500 investment.  Could have I done this myself?  Partially.  Setting up the HELOC and depositing money in my HELOC, I could do.  But to figure out what to pay to my mortgage to save myself the most money I could have never done.  And the biggest factor is, we all know that putting extra money on our mortgage will pay it off sooner but because we know that once it is there we will not be able to get to it .... so we don't!!

Peace out....................

Kathy

www.callitpaid.com

Feb 20, 2008 05:20 AM
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Bill Black
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Vancouver, WA
VP Mortgage Lending

Kathy,

Your post just proved even more unethical practices by promoting it here and not letting everyone know that you work for them... a little deceiving on the link to the website and the lack of information about you being a rep. Another deceiving tactic if you ask me.

Very interesting... I wonder since you work for the company selling their product if you paid the $3500 they charge or since you promote them you got it discounted to $3499.99....

And how Ironic that I found your exhibit at the midwest Christian expo.... Kathy when you are promoting a product on this community board it is only honest to let the readers know what your motive is in your post.

www.midwestchristianexpo.com/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=viewlink&link_id=11&Itemid=26

This is what you should have written in your signature line to let us know where you are REALLY coming from as I found on the Christian Expo Website:

 

Exhibitors
United First Financial-Kathy Sammons

 

Kath Sammons,
Ellisville, MO,
63011,
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Telephone: 636-256-8652 or 314-882-7622
Fax: 636-594-5541
E-mail: Kssammons@aol.com
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Feb 20, 2008 05:55 AM
Whitney Yasso
Sliva Captial - Honolulu, HI
Stay far away. I knew of a friend that went thru them for help and after telling her to not pay her lender for her mortgage they called her and told her they couldn't help her after letting her sit there for 6 months. She was in pre-forclourse.
Feb 20, 2008 06:06 AM
Christopher Hills
North Andover, MA
Managing Dir. Lending
this is nothing but a MLM scam.  I have researched a great deal.  I had a sales guy for it stop by my office.  I would make more money  selling the software, then i would selling it to my clients.
Feb 25, 2008 10:17 AM
Dionne Bass
Ask The Underwriter - Atlanta, GA
Blog: Ask The Underwriter

What happen to the old fashion advice: "pay an extra payment toward principal a year....etc..etc.."  As Real Estate Professionals if it's one thing we know thats: It doesn't pay to be nickle down slick!

Feb 25, 2008 10:59 AM
Anonymous
Rosie Lee

I stumbled on this blog (of sorts) and feel additional explanation is in order.  First of all, I am a Real Estate Broker in Florida and an Independent Agent for U1st representing the MMA program.  My motivation is not to sell anyone from this site on the product, I just want to share information.  To be perfectly honest, I haven't found one dissatisfied user of the product and I have spoken with, and reviewed the mortgage statements, of hundreds.

In response to the question above "Why didn't someone think about this 100 years ago?" well the answer is probably pretty complicated but I think it boils down to available technology.  That's just my humble opinion, however.  Richard Branson did indeed develop the first idea for use outside the UK and Austrailia.  Our banking systems in America are different than in those areas.  They can have one account that houses everything - mortgage, checking, savings.  We cannot do that in the US, so using the software you are able to accomplish similar results. 

Consider this:  Every night your bank sweeps their accounts and lends out that money to others for a pretty interest rate.  You're likely not getting interest on your checking account (or very VERY little) and only slightly more on a savings account.  What the bank earns on lending out your money they use to cancel out the interest they are paying on any interest bearing accounts.  Why can't YOU do that? 

Using a line of credit (HELOC, PLOC, credit card, etc), which has interest calculated on the average daily balance instead front-loaded on the month-end balance like a mortgage, you can move larger chunks of money to the principal (the ONLY way to pay off the balance), for less interest charge on the LOC than on the mortgage.  Anyone who has looked at and understands an amortization schedule will see the benefit right away.  The software facilitates that process by analyzing the optimum time to make that transfer so the user isn't overstepping potential interest charges on the LOC and is making the most of the transfer to the mortgage.  It's not magic pixie dust, just simple math.  If it costs me $54 to take $5000 from a line of credit, which I pay down again with my discretionary income, and that $5000 reduces the bottom-line interest on my mortage by $23000 (net, after the cost of the software and the $5000 chunk), isn't that worth doing?  I'd write you a check every day of the week for $54 if you gave me a check back for $23000, wouldn't you?  The software will not prompt a funds transfer any more regularly than your discretionary income is able to pay down the LOC, subsequently people with more dollars left over at the end of each month see faster results than those with less dollars left over.  Regardless, the initial analysis will guarantee the results if you follow the program.  Let me repeat that for the naysayers - the results are GUARANTEED to be what the company says it will be or you will receive a refund of the purchase price of the software.   Some people will not qualify for using the software - either they are so far into their mortgage that they won't save anything by using it, they cannot obtain a LOC or alternate savings line to drive the software, or they spend more money than they make. 

There will still be some of you who say pooh-pooh.  That's okay.  It takes a while to wrap your brain around a concept when our American banking system has spent a century teaching you otherwise.  But any good/smart investor will tell you you can make more money using OPM than your own and that's what this program is all about.  I've got dozens and dozens of success stories on the software, and I'm always surprised to find that someone I didn't even know was doing it was using the software - with great success.  What is most common on the many sites who wish to say it's a scam, just MLM (and, btw, no more than real estate, insurance or a mortgage brokerage), or it's too good to be true, what is most common is that none of those people have tried the software themselves and when someone does write a post saying they are using the software and they are seeing results, they are instantly branded as an idiot who is planted to sow a seed.  Unfortunately, a lot of people will be left behind because they didn't keep an open mind.

As a real estate broker I have a fiduciary relationship with my clients.  It is my responsibiility, acccording to my license, to make sure my clients have all the information they need to make the best decisions on their biggest asset.  In a market as depressed as this, people need solutions and this is just one that works for quite a few, though not everyone.  Just as I have heard of and met unscrupulous mortgage reps and real estate brokers, so true is it that there could be an agent of the company that is misrepresenting the software.  I personally know of two financial planners who advised their clients to stop paying their mortgage completely and one mortgage broker who was able to sell clients on a new mortgage (with fraudulent information), have them moved, then their old home was foreclosed.  (They ended up losing everything because of the deception but the only one prosecuted was the mortgage broker.) As for the issue of disclosure, that's a stupid question, really, because real estate agents already disclose any relationships where they will have a financial gain - home warranty programs just to name one, but affiliated businesses is another.  What about title companies that host luncheons or meetings.  By law, those are perks that should be disclosed when you make a referral for another service but how many do you know that make that disclosure.  Yes, Mr. & Mrs. Buyer, I do recommend ABC title because they do a great job, are always on time, and are very easy to deal with.  And by the way, I'd say that whether they host breakfast in our office once a month or not.  Right!

I urge anyone remotely interested in learning the truth to take the time to do that.  Weed through the crap that you find on the internet and speak to people who are using the product.  Spend some time disecting the product.  Read the reports from Mortgage Broker Banker, Personal Real Estate investing and Ernst & Young.  These are not paid advertisements, these are endorsements and recognition for an innovative product that is helping hundreds of thousands of people every day.  Remember when the reverse mortgage came out?  How about the cell phone?  Fax machine?  I-phone?!?!?  Times, they are a-changin', folks, and this is just another tool in the toolbox to help people.  But it is likely going to change the way we bank in America.  And if we don't change something for the GOOD, our economy (personal and national) is not going to get any better.

My email is rosie@ufftreasurecoast.com.  I'll ignore any ignorant emails but would be happy to provide additional information to help you evaluate the program if its something you would like to know about.  I won't defend myself or the product, it's not necessary.  If you want to learn the truth, then ask. It could likely save you thousands of dollars and also give you an opportunity to help your past clients. 

Rosie Lee

Aug 07, 2008 01:25 AM
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