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Mountains, Yes ... But Drains Should Not Be The High Point

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

From this yard I could look out and see the high Blue Ridge Mountains, yes ... but drains should not be the high point.

We have two sets of mountains here in Virginia - the Alleghenies (Blue Ridge) and the Shenandoahs.  I have seen, and climbed, the Rockies out west.  And for two years I lived more than two thousand feet high in the Andes Mountains of South America.  Mountains are beautiful, mountains are fun and mountains are a high point.

But if you're a drain, and you are the high point, well, things will get very lonely.

Looking down into this stairwell I wondered why there was puddling and so much debris beside this drain.

After all, there is only about a 2" lip there before collecting water can get into the finished basement.

So it's important that water can flow from here directly to the sump pump to be sent elsewhere.

From the basement it is easy to see why this pattern has developed beside the drain.

THE DRAIN IS PLACED AT THE HIGH POINT!

Not only is there a little slope up toward the drain, which you can tell from the water pattern, but there is a lip around the hole so water can't really reach it.

A photo from below does not do this phenomenon justice, but simply looking at the pattern here describes the problem.

Just six inches more toward the door and this drain would be in the perfect, and lowest, position.  Believe me - physics works!

My recommendation:  it's a good thing they cleaned this staircase just before our inspection as without the moisture and mud pattern this drain issue would have been very hard to see.  I was glad they made the problem obvious!  On new construction inspections everything, really, everything, must be investigated.  Just 10' from this stairwell is planted a leafy tree.  That will also be a problem in years to come, which the client now understands too.  Leaves clog drains!

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(23)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks James, and drains should take advantage of both!

Oct 26, 2012 09:51 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

This is odd...since the drain really has one purpose.  And, I certainly don't get why there would ever be a lip around it.  Nonsensical.

Oct 26, 2012 10:08 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

A situation requiring a diligent inspection....hmmm

Oct 26, 2012 10:14 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Odd to say the least Debbie.  Sometimes I don't understand the thinking.

Go figure S&D!  And new construction too, when everything is so perfect it doesn't need and inspection!

Oct 26, 2012 10:38 PM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

If the plumber would of just done it right the first time, then you would not have to write about it-but he did so Congrats on the feature

Oct 26, 2012 10:49 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

Darned physics! hehehe

It is important that the drain be free of leaves and debris Jay, many believe that just having a drain is enough.

Congrats on the feature.

Oct 26, 2012 10:59 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It may not have been the plumber Harry, but more the concrete guy.  Who knows...

Tom - thanks.  When trees are nearby we always have a talk.  But the physics here caused even more talking!

Oct 26, 2012 11:12 PM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

I would guess that it was a combination of the plumber plumbing it too high and the guy that built the concrete forms too low... the concrete guy just troweled everything to fit... incredible. I see it a lot on condo's with concrete rear porches, pitched the wrong way towards the building.

Oct 26, 2012 11:39 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You might be right Fred.  The plumber left it a bit long, perhaps even before they poured the stairs and then the concrete guy angled things incorrectly.  Either way, el draino no worko.

Oct 26, 2012 11:50 PM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

LOL, I didn't know you spoke Spanish...

Oct 27, 2012 12:49 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Actually I am fluent in Spanish and Quechua, having lived in South America for two years Fred.  But my Spanglish is absolutely perfect too.

Correctly put, that phrase would be "el dranaje está tapado y no funciona."

Oct 27, 2012 12:50 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker

I've never met a plumber that majored in physics (at least not yet).  Sometimes the common sense is just not there with some workmanship.

Oct 27, 2012 01:43 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

No doubt, Gary.  But we all have an inherent understanding of physics and fluid dynamics, and are familiar with the cliche that crap flows downhill!

Oct 27, 2012 01:49 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay -- you stole my line before I could get here.  What is it about water seeking its own level these guys don't get?

Oct 27, 2012 03:19 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

What your article is really telling people is that even new construction needs inspection. Supervision co-ordination was not effective here or there was none. So get an inspection.

Oct 27, 2012 03:29 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, remember Steven, they have not had any physics classes.

Robert - of course!  I have been doing new construction inspections for about 15 years, with amazing results, and have posted many times about those amazing things.  The biggest problem with new construction is the word "professionalism."

Oct 27, 2012 05:54 AM
Randy Ostrander
Lake and Lodge Realty LLC - Big Rapids, MI
Real Estate Broker, Serving Big Rapids and West Central MI

Good afternoon James. Whaaat? Water won't run up hill? What if you ask it nice?  lol

Oct 27, 2012 06:08 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It can't be, Randy, that the Roman aqueducts went from higher to lower ground, can it?

Oct 27, 2012 06:14 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Leaves also clog gutters. I see alot of that now. 

Oct 27, 2012 11:20 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Yes, that tree nearby will eventually be a problem Jim.  I suggested that they move it.  For sure the builder won't.

Oct 28, 2012 12:01 AM